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Conflict in the Middle East

University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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EasterIssland · 26/04/2024 17:06

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

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TextureSeeker · 03/05/2024 11:06

US2gether · 03/05/2024 10:41

Totally this.

Same with the marches in the UK. Some of the slogans and chants, anti semitic language, etc, outs people off.

Why can't protesters be just for peace, scrap the hate filled slogans, signs and anti semitism. Why not anti hamas, pro ceasefire, pro hostage release.

Too divisive. Too polarised. People that march fail to see that or ignore it.

I agree. Why aren't the pro Israel protesters protesting for the human rights of Palestinians some of who are even denied the right to collect rain water in the West Bank. Why aren't they protesting for an end to Israels illegal occupation? Why aren't they protesting about aid reaching starving people? Why just the focus on the hostages, where is the mention of the 1000s of Palestinians being abused in Israeli detention where they are being held without any charges at all? Why aren't they protesting about war crimes? I find it so off putting to be honest that they completely ignore the crimes of Israel. Why do they fail to see that, why are they choosing to be so divisive? They should really just be marching for peace, for the release of everyone, for the removal of Hamas and the Israeli government, for a long term solution where everybody can live without fear

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 11:13

Protests at UCL - just ten students in tent and only 30 activists expected.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/05/2024 11:20

@AgnesWickfield · Today 08:24*

Re your post
Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib on twitter:

Thank you. I do not know anything about the person who wrote that but thought it came across as a truthful and quite nuanced report directly from within the space .

It sounds chaotic. I would not want my child there if they were a student. The odd thing about ‘rebellious’ youth is that they can follow each other blindly and forget to think for themselves. It sounds oppressive there as though some voices are dominating.

I think the van should have been removed for a start. Am I right in thinking it would have been in the U.K.? It seems like an incitement to violence as well as being intimidating.

Usou · 03/05/2024 11:25

They are misguided and misinformed idiots.

Good to see them getting their comeuppance.

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 11:39

Usou · 03/05/2024 11:25

They are misguided and misinformed idiots.

Good to see them getting their comeuppance.

Are those protesting pro Israel and against the pro Palestinian protesters more informed?

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Dulra · 03/05/2024 11:52

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 11:39

Are those protesting pro Israel and against the pro Palestinian protesters more informed?

I would suggest it should be applied to both protesters and counter protesters neither side can be held in much glory. There was disgraceful behaviour on both sides

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:19

I think students should protest elsewhere instead of campuses as it is disturbing to other students and disrupts the learning environment. It is examination time. Campuses are places of study and learning and there are other organised protests they can join.

MissConductUS · 03/05/2024 12:26

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:19

I think students should protest elsewhere instead of campuses as it is disturbing to other students and disrupts the learning environment. It is examination time. Campuses are places of study and learning and there are other organised protests they can join.

I share your underlying concerns, but American universities have rules that allow students to protest without disrupting the learning environment. Problems arise when those rules are ignored.

Finallyloggedin · 03/05/2024 12:35

https://x.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1786332708379017607?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Jewish Dartmouth professor @AnneliseOrleck1 (65) says yeah, I feel unsafe on campus.

But not because of my students and their Palestine protests, because of police who body slammed me on the ground and arrested me for protecting kids.

https://x.com/rafaelshimunov/status/1786332708379017607?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 12:38

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:19

I think students should protest elsewhere instead of campuses as it is disturbing to other students and disrupts the learning environment. It is examination time. Campuses are places of study and learning and there are other organised protests they can join.

Students are protesting against their universities. It makes sense to disturb the university rather than somewhere else. Also , from many comments I’ve read some of the protests aren’t causing any disruption

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TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:46

Yes, these protests are causing disruption. They are not only protesting against universities, they are protesting against Middle East issues. Of course it is going to affect academic performance. They are there to study.

Dulra · 03/05/2024 12:52

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:46

Yes, these protests are causing disruption. They are not only protesting against universities, they are protesting against Middle East issues. Of course it is going to affect academic performance. They are there to study.

Don't know what University you went to, if you did, but there are plenty of things happening on campus all the time to distract students from study

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:55

Dulra · 03/05/2024 12:52

Don't know what University you went to, if you did, but there are plenty of things happening on campus all the time to distract students from study

Irrelevant.

It's exam time - so both Pro Israeli and Pro Palestinian protestors need to buckle down and study and let others focus on why they applied to college - to get a degree.

They need to go elsewhere to protest.

Itsaharddlife · 03/05/2024 12:57

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:46

Yes, these protests are causing disruption. They are not only protesting against universities, they are protesting against Middle East issues. Of course it is going to affect academic performance. They are there to study.

Correction: they are protesting the US government’s involvement in Middle Eastern issues

Dulra · 03/05/2024 12:57

Finallyloggedin · 03/05/2024 12:48

https://x.com/allinwithchris/status/1785836176449970491?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

It is well worth watching this whole clip, he makes some very good points.

Good piece, I know some of the best and most effective politicians we've had in Ireland honed their craft in their student days standing up for social injustices. It is when most young people start becoming more socially aware and interested in the world around them.

Dulra · 03/05/2024 13:00

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:55

Irrelevant.

It's exam time - so both Pro Israeli and Pro Palestinian protestors need to buckle down and study and let others focus on why they applied to college - to get a degree.

They need to go elsewhere to protest.

Not irrelevant campuses are like mini towns with all sorts going on. If they don't buckle down to study for exams on their head be it.

From I can tell most of the counter protesters aren't even students studying at the University so they certainly don't care about exams

Dulra · 03/05/2024 13:02

Itsaharddlife · 03/05/2024 12:57

Correction: they are protesting the US government’s involvement in Middle Eastern issues

Most were protesting at their university to divest from Israel

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 13:06

To me, what they are protesting about is irrelevant. My opinion remains that students are there to study and get an award in Higher Education so they do need to focus on that. They will have years ahead to protest so especially in the USA, where fees are so expensive, they need to jolly well do their best and fulfil their potential in their studies.

Struggggggling · 03/05/2024 13:08

Funny that when fire works were being set off into tents and individuals were being beaten the group were described as counter protestors rather than who they actually were - Pro-Israel groups
Kinda ruins the narrative being played out doesn't it that the Israeli students are afraid and the victims when in fact they're the ones inciting violence and beating people with planks of wood, pepper spraying them, setting off fireworks in their direction

Yet to see any of the Pro-Israeli mumsnetters condemn that behaviour

Dulra · 03/05/2024 13:18

Ok @TheKeenAmberHedgehog be thankful you're not their parent so

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 13:22

Dulra · 03/05/2024 13:18

Ok @TheKeenAmberHedgehog be thankful you're not their parent so

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I am old school, get your head down and study lady.

noblegiraffe · 03/05/2024 13:55

I don't think anyone is looking for the destruction of Israel

Are you serious? Loads of people are looking for the destruction of Israel, especially in the Middle East.

But if you haven’t noticed people on these protests also calling for the destruction of Israel, I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Why do you think some are telling Jews to ‘go back to Poland’? They don’t think they belong there.

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 14:00

noblegiraffe · 03/05/2024 13:55

I don't think anyone is looking for the destruction of Israel

Are you serious? Loads of people are looking for the destruction of Israel, especially in the Middle East.

But if you haven’t noticed people on these protests also calling for the destruction of Israel, I don’t think you’ve been paying attention. Why do you think some are telling Jews to ‘go back to Poland’? They don’t think they belong there.

Yes I have looked at quite a few sites and listened closely. I have certainly heard examples of this and I find it dismaying as it feels as if some of these protests are being used to get an anti-Semitic message out there. Not many, not all - but definitely a significant presence. Too much conflating of the Gazan conflict with Jewish people in general and references to the European Holocaust and Ghettos.

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