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Conflict in the Middle East

University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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EasterIssland · 26/04/2024 17:06

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

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EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:04

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 12:55

Irrelevant.

It's exam time - so both Pro Israeli and Pro Palestinian protestors need to buckle down and study and let others focus on why they applied to college - to get a degree.

They need to go elsewhere to protest.

If only Palestinian students could go to their universities at the moment … that’s what they signed up for and are not allowed anymore because their universities have been destroyed

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EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:05

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 13:06

To me, what they are protesting about is irrelevant. My opinion remains that students are there to study and get an award in Higher Education so they do need to focus on that. They will have years ahead to protest so especially in the USA, where fees are so expensive, they need to jolly well do their best and fulfil their potential in their studies.

Problem is that maybe in a few years they can’t protest in their university trading with Israel who is destroying Palestine. Palestine might not exist in a few years

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EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:07

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 13:22

I am old school, get your head down and study lady.

Maybe not everyone wants to get their head down and study ? Or maybe they can protest and at the same time study ?

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TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 14:27

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:04

If only Palestinian students could go to their universities at the moment … that’s what they signed up for and are not allowed anymore because their universities have been destroyed

And that is terribly sad.

oharobot · 03/05/2024 14:29

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:07

Maybe not everyone wants to get their head down and study ? Or maybe they can protest and at the same time study ?

Good news, the now have the option to study in Yemen.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/houthis-offer-education-students-suspended-us-protest-crackdown-2024-05-03/

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 14:29

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:07

Maybe not everyone wants to get their head down and study ? Or maybe they can protest and at the same time study ?

See then they should not have gone to university and spent their parents' fees or the government student loan money. Yes they can protest and study but will impact their grades. Best to focus 100 % and then go out to try and secure world peace or similar rather than risk a criminal record.

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:47

Nice displace students and not allow them to return. What a brilliant idea

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TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 14:54

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:47

Nice displace students and not allow them to return. What a brilliant idea

Just an offer - they do not have to accept it.

We all have a responsibility to behave within the rules and must face the consequences eg suspension if we break them surely.

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:54

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 14:54

Just an offer - they do not have to accept it.

We all have a responsibility to behave within the rules and must face the consequences eg suspension if we break them surely.

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Scirocco · 03/05/2024 14:55

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 14:29

See then they should not have gone to university and spent their parents' fees or the government student loan money. Yes they can protest and study but will impact their grades. Best to focus 100 % and then go out to try and secure world peace or similar rather than risk a criminal record.

It's possible to participate in other activities as well as studying while at university. Most students do have other things they do - working, extra-curricular societies, volunteering, involvement in wider movements or projects, etc.

Murica · 03/05/2024 14:57

BelleHathor · 03/05/2024 09:57

You are correct, there were people who wished that Rosa Parks had just kept quiet. It's easier that way, they may have carved a nice little niche for themselves and they don't want to upset the status quo.

It's something that has been explored and discussed within the Black Community for centuries. Through our struggles to end Colonialization, Slavery and Discrimination there have always been those who work with and collaborate with the oppressor and then are often held up as bastions of the "good minority" aka why can't you all just be like this person is.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/enemy-within-loyalists-and-the-war-against-mau-mau-in-kenya/5B04B9B277281F231E4D138A32C6651C

Funnily enough, I was listening to Palestinians actually in Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem and most of them support the students and it stated that it gives them hope and shows that at least some people care and see them.

Have you heard of the Freedom Riders from the American Civil Rights movement? You know who risked their lives? American Jewish people.
https://www.ajc.com/news/freedom-rider-our-allies-were-american-jews/z3HjcwdMNYDj1VVg0p6sLL/

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/chaney-goodman-schwerner-murdered/

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https://www.ajc.com/news/freedom-rider-our-allies-were-american-jews/z3HjcwdMNYDj1VVg0p6sLL

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 15:01

Scirocco · 03/05/2024 14:55

It's possible to participate in other activities as well as studying while at university. Most students do have other things they do - working, extra-curricular societies, volunteering, involvement in wider movements or projects, etc.

Absolutely - of course they should as its an opportunity for enrichment.

oharobot · 03/05/2024 15:18

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 14:54

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The poster was suggesting Palestinian students can go to Yemen universities. Which rules have Palestinian students broken?

WTF no I wasn't.

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 15:25

oharobot · 03/05/2024 15:18

The poster was suggesting Palestinian students can go to Yemen universities. Which rules have Palestinian students broken?

WTF no I wasn't.

The OP did not mention Palestinian students - and indeed the link mentions US students:
"The U.S. and Britain returned the Houthi militia to a list of terrorist groups this year as their attacks on vessels in and around the Red Sea hurt global economies.
The Houthi's offer of an education for U.S. students sparked a wave of sarcasm by ordinary Yemenis on social media. One social media user posted a photograph of two Westerners chewing Yemen's widely-used narcotic leaf Qat. He described the scene as American students during their fifth year at Sanaa University."

Auvergne63 · 03/05/2024 15:46

Why are some posters infantilise the students? They are adults and free to decide for themselves if they want to protest or not. I protested while I was a student. I knew what the consequences could be.
These protests are happening all over the world; the media are only focusing on the USA. Are all students immature and idiots?

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 16:11

They are now asking for food and blankets.
From the DT:

"Students who have set up pro-Palestine camps at UK universities are pleading for food and blankets.
In an echo of a Columbia University student in New York widely mocked for demanding “basic humanitarian aid”, British students have requested “food for community dinners” as well as mats, tents, blankets and “sources of light”.
Temporary encampments occupying campuses have begun springing up across the UK in recent days. It comes in the wake of unrest across US universities that has led to violent clashes with police and hundreds of arrests.
The British protests against the war in Gaza currently remain much lower key. A new site sprang up at University College London (UCL) overnight on Thursday. Other universities with tent protests include Leeds, Newcastle, Manchester, Sheffield, Warwick, Swansea, Bristol and Goldsmiths, University of London.
Pain brings me closer to what is happening in Palestine’They are also demanding donations of food and hygiene products so they can continue camping out. Violent storms and downpours over recent days have led to requests for extra gear to stay warm and dry.
On Instagram, a pro-Palestinian group called Newcastle Apartheid posted a request for urgent help, stopping short of calling it humanitarian aid.
Headed “urgent callout list please circulate”, the group said it needed “blankets, food for community dinner (please dm so we know how much to expect), sources of light, mats, tents.” The group added: “We have A LOT of water, period products, bread” in an indication of what not to send.
In another post, the group said: “Please get us blankets, hot water, bottles and groundsheets. We are cold.”
Protestors at UCL also called on the public to donate “nutritious and healthy” food to their group. Junayd Islam, a 20-year-old third year student at the university, who is acting as the spokesman for the university’s activists, said: “We are open for donations. If people can donate sanitary things, torches and food – anything healthy and nutritious. Some people have already given us food and other things.”
Mr Islam added: “I’m a little bit cold and wet and I know going through that pain brings me a little bit closer to what is going on in Palestine.”

‘Red brigade’ makes last stand at UCLA as police shut down campus protests across US

Los Angeles had become the flagbearer for the student protest movement after Columbia camp in New York shut down

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/05/02/ucla-encampment-cleared-us-police-shut-down-israel-protests/

noblegiraffe · 03/05/2024 16:20

I’m a little bit cold and wet and I know going through that pain brings me a little bit closer to what is going on in Palestine

FFS.

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 16:30

noblegiraffe · 03/05/2024 16:20

I’m a little bit cold and wet and I know going through that pain brings me a little bit closer to what is going on in Palestine

FFS.

It's the students who are infantilising themselves through their calls for food and blankets tbh. Maybe they should go and protest in Gaza and assist the Gazans in their plight?

ConnieCounter · 03/05/2024 16:59

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 16:30

It's the students who are infantilising themselves through their calls for food and blankets tbh. Maybe they should go and protest in Gaza and assist the Gazans in their plight?

How do you suggest they get into Gaza? Have you been paying any attention whatsoever to what Israel is doing over there? If they won't let UN aid agencies in to help I doubt they'll let random students in 🙄 Also, going in would have a high likelihood of death seeing as Israel continues to bomb the shit out of Gaza and wants to annihilate Rafah.

Dulra · 03/05/2024 17:00

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 16:30

It's the students who are infantilising themselves through their calls for food and blankets tbh. Maybe they should go and protest in Gaza and assist the Gazans in their plight?

Maybe they should go and protest in Gaza and assist the Gazans in their plight?
If only humanitarian workers and volunteers could get in to Gaza and assist in their plight. The irony of that statement ffs, especially knowing some of those that did have been killed.

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 03/05/2024 17:09

ConnieCounter · 03/05/2024 16:59

How do you suggest they get into Gaza? Have you been paying any attention whatsoever to what Israel is doing over there? If they won't let UN aid agencies in to help I doubt they'll let random students in 🙄 Also, going in would have a high likelihood of death seeing as Israel continues to bomb the shit out of Gaza and wants to annihilate Rafah.

Please don't take that tone with me, thank you. You may not be realise it but you come across as quite rude with your dual questioning rhetoric.

Scirocco · 03/05/2024 17:16

Finallyloggedin · 03/05/2024 16:41

https://www.cooperpointjournal.com/2024/05/01/tesc-agrees-to-divestment-greeners-say-the-struggle-continues/

Rachel Corrie’s school agrees to full divestment ❤️🇵🇸❤️🇵🇸

(As I’m sure many there already know, Rachel was the 23 year old who tried to protect a Palestinian home from demolition by the IDF and got murdered by an Israeli tank purposely running her over. https://rachelcorriefoundation.org/ )

Thank you.

BelleHathor · 03/05/2024 17:23

Murica · 03/05/2024 14:57

Have you heard of the Freedom Riders from the American Civil Rights movement? You know who risked their lives? American Jewish people.
https://www.ajc.com/news/freedom-rider-our-allies-were-american-jews/z3HjcwdMNYDj1VVg0p6sLL/

https://www.zinnedproject.org/news/tdih/chaney-goodman-schwerner-murdered/

Absolutely, Yes I have heard of many brave Jewish people who have always been on the frontline of Civil rights movements with other minorities. They were in the trenches with us when we fought to pass the Race Relations Act in the 1970s. They were jailed along with Mandela for fighting against the Apartheid Regime.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/mandelas-jewish-helpers
As you said, they marched and were killed fighting for Civil Rights in America.

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 17:27

oharobot · 03/05/2024 15:18

The poster was suggesting Palestinian students can go to Yemen universities. Which rules have Palestinian students broken?

WTF no I wasn't.

And I had edited my comment as I realised about it.

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