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University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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EasterIssland · 26/04/2024 17:06

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

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Polka83 · 03/05/2024 00:02

SharonEllis · 02/05/2024 23:12

Well, quite. Self awareness not their strong suit.

I actually have no doubt that there would be uproar if the US used an “over the top” response that resulted in the death of innocent Native American children and women in response to a terror attack, or limited their food supply to the point of famine. Another attempt to delegitimise valid concerns.

DomPom47 · 03/05/2024 06:58

These students are 100% on the right side of history. Some people and politicians prefer to distract by talking about the problems of these protests rather than what is happening: the murder of innocent Palestinians which is wrong full stop.
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Finallyloggedin · 03/05/2024 07:33

https://x.com/emcohen_/status/1786234058038780083?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Disgusting and depraved behaviour. Who has emboldened them to act like this?

https://x.com/emcohen_/status/1786234058038780083?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Dulra · 03/05/2024 08:08

SharonEllis · 02/05/2024 22:50

What evidence do you have that these students 'would' stand up for other groups? Can you point me to the mass protests & the peace camps for the Uigyurs?

Why would you expect a poster on here to have evidence of what US students protest about on their College Campuses! and what is it to you anyway? I am sick of this deflection argument that people keep throwing at anyone who is pro-Palestinian. Why do you think they are not deserving of people supporting them?
People can protest against any cause they want and don't forget there are many Palestinian students directly involved in these protests. Channel 4 news covered the Columba one a couple of weeks ago, many of their fellow students are probably appalled and upset about their personal stories. The US is Israel's main support in all of this so I don't why it would be a surprise to you that some US citizens to want to protest against their governments policy on Israel.

Dulra · 03/05/2024 08:10

Finallyloggedin · 03/05/2024 07:33

https://x.com/emcohen_/status/1786234058038780083?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Disgusting and depraved behaviour. Who has emboldened them to act like this?

Yes the entitled privileged white frat boys, hope those videos are sent to all the companies they are no doubt trying to get internships in this summer

SharonEllis · 03/05/2024 08:18

Dulra · 03/05/2024 08:08

Why would you expect a poster on here to have evidence of what US students protest about on their College Campuses! and what is it to you anyway? I am sick of this deflection argument that people keep throwing at anyone who is pro-Palestinian. Why do you think they are not deserving of people supporting them?
People can protest against any cause they want and don't forget there are many Palestinian students directly involved in these protests. Channel 4 news covered the Columba one a couple of weeks ago, many of their fellow students are probably appalled and upset about their personal stories. The US is Israel's main support in all of this so I don't why it would be a surprise to you that some US citizens to want to protest against their governments policy on Israel.

Because the poster said they were sure they would. How could they be sure with no evidence? After all the Uigyur genocide has been known about for some time. Its not 'deflecting' to point this out. And its not deflecting to ask people why they are SO passionate about the cause of Gaza, which they usually talk about in very essentialist human rights terms when there are other groups who never got and still don't have the same level of support. I.e. you must support gaza or you are an evil person & the camps are an essential manifestation of that support, but not supporting other groups in the same way does not make you an evil person. Its a bit unbalanced, no?

Hélène79 · 03/05/2024 08:22

Here's a Gazan-American's view after attending the UCLA encampment and I would recommend reading the whole summary. (His family are currently in Rafah)

https://twitter.com/afalkhatib/status/1786181045890744602

"...I was disappointed and disturbed to see a rotating antisemitic symbol on top of the truck with a combined swastika and star of David. I wished that the protest organizers had removed that particular symbol, which was entirely hateful and vile. Many statements, words, and messages were plastered all over the truck, which had a Palestinian flag..."

"...Most students are sincere and absolutely have their hearts in the right place. They are, however, misguided and are being led by extreme, radical, and genuinely detrimental organizations, voices, and “revolutionary” types who are the worst possible allies and spokespeople for the Palestinian people..."

"...The slogans, goals, and ethos are based on maximalist, zero-sum aspirations that will never achieve anything for the Palestinian cause. It was clear that a small group of students and organizations developed their platform, and subsequently, the masses are being herded into following it, seemingly mindlessly and without a deep understanding of Gaza, Hamas, Israel, foreign policy, and all the relevant issues..."

AgnesWickfield · 03/05/2024 08:24

Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib on twitter:

I went to the UCLA campus last night and spent a few hours there before the police dispersed the encampment. I wanted to see the pro-Palestine student protests for myself and get a sense of the atmosphere, energy, and students, as well as the movement's focus and the desired endgame. I wore a t-shirt with a chant that I hoped to use as an engagement opportunity with some students to see their views on various issues and how they perceive peace as an opportunity for the Palestinian people and cause. The chant is slightly modified from the ubiquitously repeated “from the river to the sea…” Here is what I saw:
- Right next to the parking lot and main entryway into the campus, a truck was parked with a speaker that loudly broadcast recordings from Richard Medhurst. I was disappointed and disturbed to see a rotating antisemitic symbol on top of the truck with a combined swastika and star of David. I wished that the protest organizers had removed that particular symbol, which was entirely hateful and vile. Many statements, words, and messages were plastered all over the truck, which had a Palestinian flag.
- Upon proceeding onto campus, something like 70% of protesters had masks, balaclavas, and kuffiyahs covering their faces – something that we see across college protests as students fear backlash, doxing, and retaliation for their participation. To me, as an outsider, this made the overall atmosphere immensely tense, not seeing peoples’ faces and feeling that people could do whatever they wanted while benefiting from anonymity. The environment was not conducive to dialogue, talking, discussions, debates, or anything of the sort. The message was clear; everyone who attended needed to be onboard with the dictated message and slogans or get out. You could feel the tension as many people looked around, suspicious and mistrustful of other masked protesters whom they didn’t know, fearing infiltrators, undercover cops, and pro-Israel students. As time went on, the tension I felt eased, and I became a bit more relaxed being around so many masked and covered-up faces.
- I went with my friend and ally @LucBernard, and we both observed people being wholly intrigued, confused, suspicious, and uncertain about me wearing a T-shirt with the modified pro-peace chant. Neither of us covered our faces, and we wanted to engage people and see what was happening, hear their thoughts, what they wanted, and why they were there.
- Thankfully, we encountered many extremely friendly people and very nice students (who were masked), and we asked questions about what’s been happening and got some intriguing details. Still, there was no room or space for bringing different views about the protests or the issue, as everybody was either on the “same page” or there was almost complete conformity with regard to the opinions that protesters espoused about Zionism, Israel, Gaza, etc.
My assessment:
1. It was truly disappointing and upsetting that the main entrance had a van with incendiary language and inflammatory rhetoric, not to mention a clearly antisemitic and vile symbol equating the swastika with the star of David. The organizers did not challenge this van; many who passed it showed immense enthusiasm and approval for its presence.
2. I can see how some students, certainly those who are Jewish and or don’t support the protesters and their message, would feel unsafe or intimidated. I felt that tension all around the campus with the masked students and the blocked entryways and barricaded areas – and it was strange to feel uneasy just wearing a t-shirt that promoted peace. Though I want to be absolutely clear: no one attacked me or said anything to me about the t-shirt despite being aggressively eye-mugged by pretty much everyone. Yet, I didn’t feel safe at all to actually have any real or detailed conversations with students about my views, Hamas, Gaza, or pragmatic paths forward. I genuinely feared being jumped by maskless students for simply expressing a view that differed from theirs.
3. There was no room or space for meaningful discussions, engagement, and exploring the building of a sustainable, broad movement with realistic and articulable goals, strategies, tactics, and sophisticated messaging. The slogans, goals, and ethos are based on maximalist, zero-sum aspirations that will never achieve anything for the Palestinian cause. It was clear that a small group of students and organizations developed their platform, and subsequently, the masses are being herded into following it, seemingly mindlessly and without a deep understanding of Gaza, Hamas, Israel, foreign policy, and all the relevant issues.
4. I stand by my assessment that at the current rate and trajectory, this historic opportunity will be squandered and will fail to harness unprecedented empathy for the Palestinian people to fuel actual change and achieve justice, freedom, and peace for the just and urgent Palestinian cause.
5. Most students are sincere and absolutely have their hearts in the right place. They are, however, misguided and are being led by extreme, radical, and genuinely detrimental organizations, voices, and “revolutionary” types who are the worst possible allies and spokespeople for the Palestinian people. If presented with the right balance of information, analysis, assessment, and recommendations, I’m confident that many, if not most, students will likely adjust course and become better-informed protesters and advocates. Nevertheless, it's nearly impossible to imagine a change happening anytime soon, given how entrenched the “pro-Palestine industrial complex” is becoming, and there’s no space for diverse opinions or alternative narratives within the movement.
I support free speech and freedom of expression; I oppose vandalism, intolerance, forced conformity, hate, and mindless activism. I commend the intentions of students and their rights to voice their opposition to what’s happening in Gaza as enshrined by democratic principles of liberal societies; I blame radical, unsophisticated, maximalist, hateful, and misguided organizations, activists, and voices for squandering a historic opportunity to drum up support for the Palestinian people and push for an independent state living side by side with a secure Israel – they don’t have to be mutually exclusive.



AgnesWickfield · 03/05/2024 08:25

Helene79 great minds 😅

Dulra · 03/05/2024 08:40

SharonEllis · 03/05/2024 08:18

Because the poster said they were sure they would. How could they be sure with no evidence? After all the Uigyur genocide has been known about for some time. Its not 'deflecting' to point this out. And its not deflecting to ask people why they are SO passionate about the cause of Gaza, which they usually talk about in very essentialist human rights terms when there are other groups who never got and still don't have the same level of support. I.e. you must support gaza or you are an evil person & the camps are an essential manifestation of that support, but not supporting other groups in the same way does not make you an evil person. Its a bit unbalanced, no?

sure they would That is an opinion the poster had based on what they see not a statement of fact
After all the Uigyur genocide has been known about for some time. Its not 'deflecting' to point this out.
It is when the thread is about the protests in US universities on the conflict in Gaza
And its not deflecting to ask people why they are SO passionate about the cause of Gaza, which they usually talk about in very essentialist human rights terms when there are other groups who never got and still don't have the same level of support.
It is, you are questioning why Gaza? Why not Gaza? More children have been killed in Gaza since October then in any other conflict across the entire world in the past 2 years! Children are at huge risk right now, time is not a friend in this conflict. The US has a major part to play in this and are supporting Israel on it so it is completely reasonable that US citizens would protest against their own governments policy on it.
you must support gaza or you are an evil person & the camps are an essential manifestation of that support, People are angry and cannot understand how the world can stand back and watch the death and destruction of a population, I think it is less about people seeing other people as evil more disbelief that it is being let continue. These are young students who are beginning to be exposed to the injustices and double standards of the world and are angry, the rest of us have become weary and cynical as we see this play out over and over
but not supporting other groups in the same way does not make you an evil person. Its a bit unbalanced, no? This is just ridiculous, again deflection you can't support Gaza unless you support every other oppressed group across the world.

SharonEllis · 03/05/2024 08:55

Hélène79 · 03/05/2024 08:22

Here's a Gazan-American's view after attending the UCLA encampment and I would recommend reading the whole summary. (His family are currently in Rafah)

https://twitter.com/afalkhatib/status/1786181045890744602

"...I was disappointed and disturbed to see a rotating antisemitic symbol on top of the truck with a combined swastika and star of David. I wished that the protest organizers had removed that particular symbol, which was entirely hateful and vile. Many statements, words, and messages were plastered all over the truck, which had a Palestinian flag..."

"...Most students are sincere and absolutely have their hearts in the right place. They are, however, misguided and are being led by extreme, radical, and genuinely detrimental organizations, voices, and “revolutionary” types who are the worst possible allies and spokespeople for the Palestinian people..."

"...The slogans, goals, and ethos are based on maximalist, zero-sum aspirations that will never achieve anything for the Palestinian cause. It was clear that a small group of students and organizations developed their platform, and subsequently, the masses are being herded into following it, seemingly mindlessly and without a deep understanding of Gaza, Hamas, Israel, foreign policy, and all the relevant issues..."

This is so much the point isn't it?

EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 09:15

Not want to continue derailing but if I ask google I can see several news about American students protesting against Uigyur genocide

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EasterIssland · 03/05/2024 09:23

Police say nobody was hit by the rubber bullets. This might not be right

University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)
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mids2019 · 03/05/2024 09:23

It is the same story as in London. The police are not preventing legal protest which is enshrined in the US constitution but breaking up illegal protest and stopping hate speech

There is a genuine possibility of Jewish students being verbally and physically assaulted and that has to be a factor when deciding on the legitimacy of the protests. There is that feeling again that anti semitism is a price worth paying in allowing protest and that is simply wrong.

I think the protestors have put themselves in a poor light with the US public with the manner of the protest which has been far from dignified but practically riotous.

I think a lot of the students will look back and regret their actions

Kneidlach · 03/05/2024 09:30

I am sick of this deflection argument that people keep throwing at anyone who is pro-Palestinian. Why do you think they are not deserving of people supporting them? People can protest against any cause they want

All this is absolutely true. But it’s either naivety, ignorance (or worse) when the only cause they want to protest for is one where the other side is the one Jewish state in the world. And where some of the protesters openly admit they want the state of Israel destroyed- that ‘river to the sea’ slogan only has one meaning and we all know what it is.

And yes people do sometimes protest other causes. But pro Ukrainian protesters don’t demand the destruction of Russia, anti apartheid protesters back in the day didn’t demand the destruction of South Africa. But for some reason when it comes to Israel the demand to destroy a legitimately established UN-recognised country is deemed acceptable by many.

SharonEllis · 03/05/2024 09:37

Kneidlach · 03/05/2024 09:30

I am sick of this deflection argument that people keep throwing at anyone who is pro-Palestinian. Why do you think they are not deserving of people supporting them? People can protest against any cause they want

All this is absolutely true. But it’s either naivety, ignorance (or worse) when the only cause they want to protest for is one where the other side is the one Jewish state in the world. And where some of the protesters openly admit they want the state of Israel destroyed- that ‘river to the sea’ slogan only has one meaning and we all know what it is.

And yes people do sometimes protest other causes. But pro Ukrainian protesters don’t demand the destruction of Russia, anti apartheid protesters back in the day didn’t demand the destruction of South Africa. But for some reason when it comes to Israel the demand to destroy a legitimately established UN-recognised country is deemed acceptable by many.

Exactly. Not only acceptable but actually 'progressive'. Its so disingenous for people to try and pretend this is not an issue that seriously taints the nature of the debate.

Finallyloggedin · 03/05/2024 09:40

I have absolutely no doubt that there were a small amount of African Americans who thought Rosa Parks should have just moved on down the bus and not made a fuss. Had social media been invented then, they would have been retweeted all day long by a certain section of society who are bent on resisting the recognition of rights for others.

You can try to deflect all you like but remember in doing so, you are helping to provide cover for a genocide.

https://x.com/ashtonpittman/status/1786207708191821870?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Hippyhippybake · 03/05/2024 09:47

Please don’t insult the good name of Rosa Parks. These protestors are the most priveleged people on earth.

Dulra · 03/05/2024 09:48

SharonEllis · 03/05/2024 09:37

Exactly. Not only acceptable but actually 'progressive'. Its so disingenous for people to try and pretend this is not an issue that seriously taints the nature of the debate.

Exactly. Not only acceptable but actually 'progressive'. Its so disingenous for people to try and pretend this is not an issue that seriously taints the nature of the debate.
But that isn't what you initially said or what I was responding to! You just trotted out the old whataboutery to try and discredit the protestors. I also find it in pretty poor taste to use other peoples suffering across the world to beat pro Palestinian protesters' with.

@Kneidlach But it’s either naivety, ignorance (or worse) when the only cause they want to protest for is one where the other side is the one Jewish state in the world.
You don't know this is the only cause they protest about none of us do and frankly to me it is irrelevant if it is

And where some of the protesters openly admit they want the state of Israel destroyed- that ‘river to the sea’ slogan only has one meaning and we all know what it is.
I absolutely agree that there has been visible anti-Semitism and pretty disgusting chants and abuse on both sides, so call that out, don't use the whatabout argument because in my opinion it is a weak defence when all you have is whatabout over here. There is enough in the protests to call out without it.
And yes people do sometimes protest other causes. But pro Ukrainian protesters don’t demand the destruction of Russia, anti apartheid protesters back in the day didn’t demand the destruction of South Africa. But for some reason when it comes to Israel the demand to destroy a legitimately established UN-recognised country is deemed acceptable by many.
I don't think anyone is looking for the destruction of Israel I do think some people equate criticism of Israel (government nd IDF) with the destruction of the state which is just not the case.

ScrollingLeaves · 03/05/2024 09:52

Dulra · 03/05/2024 09:48

Exactly. Not only acceptable but actually 'progressive'. Its so disingenous for people to try and pretend this is not an issue that seriously taints the nature of the debate.
But that isn't what you initially said or what I was responding to! You just trotted out the old whataboutery to try and discredit the protestors. I also find it in pretty poor taste to use other peoples suffering across the world to beat pro Palestinian protesters' with.

@Kneidlach But it’s either naivety, ignorance (or worse) when the only cause they want to protest for is one where the other side is the one Jewish state in the world.
You don't know this is the only cause they protest about none of us do and frankly to me it is irrelevant if it is

And where some of the protesters openly admit they want the state of Israel destroyed- that ‘river to the sea’ slogan only has one meaning and we all know what it is.
I absolutely agree that there has been visible anti-Semitism and pretty disgusting chants and abuse on both sides, so call that out, don't use the whatabout argument because in my opinion it is a weak defence when all you have is whatabout over here. There is enough in the protests to call out without it.
And yes people do sometimes protest other causes. But pro Ukrainian protesters don’t demand the destruction of Russia, anti apartheid protesters back in the day didn’t demand the destruction of South Africa. But for some reason when it comes to Israel the demand to destroy a legitimately established UN-recognised country is deemed acceptable by many.
I don't think anyone is looking for the destruction of Israel I do think some people equate criticism of Israel (government nd IDF) with the destruction of the state which is just not the case.

Agreed.

BelleHathor · 03/05/2024 09:57

Finallyloggedin · 03/05/2024 09:40

I have absolutely no doubt that there were a small amount of African Americans who thought Rosa Parks should have just moved on down the bus and not made a fuss. Had social media been invented then, they would have been retweeted all day long by a certain section of society who are bent on resisting the recognition of rights for others.

You can try to deflect all you like but remember in doing so, you are helping to provide cover for a genocide.

https://x.com/ashtonpittman/status/1786207708191821870?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

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You are correct, there were people who wished that Rosa Parks had just kept quiet. It's easier that way, they may have carved a nice little niche for themselves and they don't want to upset the status quo.

It's something that has been explored and discussed within the Black Community for centuries. Through our struggles to end Colonialization, Slavery and Discrimination there have always been those who work with and collaborate with the oppressor and then are often held up as bastions of the "good minority" aka why can't you all just be like this person is.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/enemy-within-loyalists-and-the-war-against-mau-mau-in-kenya/5B04B9B277281F231E4D138A32C6651C

Funnily enough, I was listening to Palestinians actually in Gaza, West Bank and Jerusalem and most of them support the students and it stated that it gives them hope and shows that at least some people care and see them.

THE ENEMY WITHIN: LOYALISTS AND THE WAR AGAINST MAU MAU IN KENYA* | The Journal of African History | Cambridge Core

THE ENEMY WITHIN: LOYALISTS AND THE WAR AGAINST MAU MAU IN KENYA* - Volume 48 Issue 2

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-african-history/article/enemy-within-loyalists-and-the-war-against-mau-mau-in-kenya/5B04B9B277281F231E4D138A32C6651C

Dulra · 03/05/2024 10:01

Hippyhippybake · 03/05/2024 09:47

Please don’t insult the good name of Rosa Parks. These protestors are the most priveleged people on earth.

But they are protesting in support of some of the most oppressed

SharonEllis · 03/05/2024 10:13

Hippyhippybake · 03/05/2024 09:47

Please don’t insult the good name of Rosa Parks. These protestors are the most priveleged people on earth.

And the vast majority of the civil rights movement did not advocate attacks on whites & were highly disciplined in their non violence and self reliance. Contrast widespread celebration of the 7 October attacks in this country, the US and around the world, condemnation of 'zionists', calling for destruction of Israel & denial of rights of Jews to live there and cosplaying students calling for 'humanitarian aid' - for themselves!!

US2gether · 03/05/2024 10:41

AgnesWickfield · 03/05/2024 08:24

Ahmed Fouad Alkhatib on twitter:

I went to the UCLA campus last night and spent a few hours there before the police dispersed the encampment. I wanted to see the pro-Palestine student protests for myself and get a sense of the atmosphere, energy, and students, as well as the movement's focus and the desired endgame. I wore a t-shirt with a chant that I hoped to use as an engagement opportunity with some students to see their views on various issues and how they perceive peace as an opportunity for the Palestinian people and cause. The chant is slightly modified from the ubiquitously repeated “from the river to the sea…” Here is what I saw:
- Right next to the parking lot and main entryway into the campus, a truck was parked with a speaker that loudly broadcast recordings from Richard Medhurst. I was disappointed and disturbed to see a rotating antisemitic symbol on top of the truck with a combined swastika and star of David. I wished that the protest organizers had removed that particular symbol, which was entirely hateful and vile. Many statements, words, and messages were plastered all over the truck, which had a Palestinian flag.
- Upon proceeding onto campus, something like 70% of protesters had masks, balaclavas, and kuffiyahs covering their faces – something that we see across college protests as students fear backlash, doxing, and retaliation for their participation. To me, as an outsider, this made the overall atmosphere immensely tense, not seeing peoples’ faces and feeling that people could do whatever they wanted while benefiting from anonymity. The environment was not conducive to dialogue, talking, discussions, debates, or anything of the sort. The message was clear; everyone who attended needed to be onboard with the dictated message and slogans or get out. You could feel the tension as many people looked around, suspicious and mistrustful of other masked protesters whom they didn’t know, fearing infiltrators, undercover cops, and pro-Israel students. As time went on, the tension I felt eased, and I became a bit more relaxed being around so many masked and covered-up faces.
- I went with my friend and ally @LucBernard, and we both observed people being wholly intrigued, confused, suspicious, and uncertain about me wearing a T-shirt with the modified pro-peace chant. Neither of us covered our faces, and we wanted to engage people and see what was happening, hear their thoughts, what they wanted, and why they were there.
- Thankfully, we encountered many extremely friendly people and very nice students (who were masked), and we asked questions about what’s been happening and got some intriguing details. Still, there was no room or space for bringing different views about the protests or the issue, as everybody was either on the “same page” or there was almost complete conformity with regard to the opinions that protesters espoused about Zionism, Israel, Gaza, etc.
My assessment:
1. It was truly disappointing and upsetting that the main entrance had a van with incendiary language and inflammatory rhetoric, not to mention a clearly antisemitic and vile symbol equating the swastika with the star of David. The organizers did not challenge this van; many who passed it showed immense enthusiasm and approval for its presence.
2. I can see how some students, certainly those who are Jewish and or don’t support the protesters and their message, would feel unsafe or intimidated. I felt that tension all around the campus with the masked students and the blocked entryways and barricaded areas – and it was strange to feel uneasy just wearing a t-shirt that promoted peace. Though I want to be absolutely clear: no one attacked me or said anything to me about the t-shirt despite being aggressively eye-mugged by pretty much everyone. Yet, I didn’t feel safe at all to actually have any real or detailed conversations with students about my views, Hamas, Gaza, or pragmatic paths forward. I genuinely feared being jumped by maskless students for simply expressing a view that differed from theirs.
3. There was no room or space for meaningful discussions, engagement, and exploring the building of a sustainable, broad movement with realistic and articulable goals, strategies, tactics, and sophisticated messaging. The slogans, goals, and ethos are based on maximalist, zero-sum aspirations that will never achieve anything for the Palestinian cause. It was clear that a small group of students and organizations developed their platform, and subsequently, the masses are being herded into following it, seemingly mindlessly and without a deep understanding of Gaza, Hamas, Israel, foreign policy, and all the relevant issues.
4. I stand by my assessment that at the current rate and trajectory, this historic opportunity will be squandered and will fail to harness unprecedented empathy for the Palestinian people to fuel actual change and achieve justice, freedom, and peace for the just and urgent Palestinian cause.
5. Most students are sincere and absolutely have their hearts in the right place. They are, however, misguided and are being led by extreme, radical, and genuinely detrimental organizations, voices, and “revolutionary” types who are the worst possible allies and spokespeople for the Palestinian people. If presented with the right balance of information, analysis, assessment, and recommendations, I’m confident that many, if not most, students will likely adjust course and become better-informed protesters and advocates. Nevertheless, it's nearly impossible to imagine a change happening anytime soon, given how entrenched the “pro-Palestine industrial complex” is becoming, and there’s no space for diverse opinions or alternative narratives within the movement.
I support free speech and freedom of expression; I oppose vandalism, intolerance, forced conformity, hate, and mindless activism. I commend the intentions of students and their rights to voice their opposition to what’s happening in Gaza as enshrined by democratic principles of liberal societies; I blame radical, unsophisticated, maximalist, hateful, and misguided organizations, activists, and voices for squandering a historic opportunity to drum up support for the Palestinian people and push for an independent state living side by side with a secure Israel – they don’t have to be mutually exclusive.



Totally this.

Same with the marches in the UK. Some of the slogans and chants, anti semitic language, etc, outs people off.

Why can't protesters be just for peace, scrap the hate filled slogans, signs and anti semitism. Why not anti hamas, pro ceasefire, pro hostage release.

Too divisive. Too polarised. People that march fail to see that or ignore it.

US2gether · 03/05/2024 10:51

Hippyhippybake · 03/05/2024 09:47

Please don’t insult the good name of Rosa Parks. These protestors are the most priveleged people on earth.

This.

Having watched some of them being interviewed the lack of historical knowledge, geography, ability to understand both sides, lack of thinking skills is astounding.

Soundbites from tic toc that ate often incorrect pop up a lot too.

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