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University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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EasterIssland · 26/04/2024 17:06

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

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MushMonster · 02/05/2024 17:03

The article in the Daily Telegraph is just full of shit.
It is just lazy journalism.
Have they gone out there and ask any of the students a single question?
Clearly not.
They just keep trying and trying to ignore that a larger number of people are tired of armies without any morals, profiting from arms sales and witnessing the deaths of thousands. How difficult can that possibly be to get through their heads?

PeasfullPerson · 02/05/2024 17:20

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 02/05/2024 15:57

From The Daily Telegraph:
"Covid is long since over, but the protesters still wear face masks: the ignorant, entitled little delinquents running riot in so many of the world’s greatest universities are truly an embarrassment. The product of a catastrophic social experiment, of years of brainwashing and coddling, they embody all of the Western world’s most debilitating pathologies.
Their childish, self-important antics would be risible were their normalisation of hatred not so ominous, their rejection of democratic, liberal and conservative norms alike not so terrifying. Previous generations of protesters at least had a cause, sometimes a very powerful and just one; this bunch are self-loathing, inchoate nihilists who hate the West, hate America, hate Britain, hate Israel, and want to tear down everything great about our civilisation.
The keffiyeh-clad protesters claim to support the Palestinian cause, but are staggeringly ignorant about the realities of the Middle East. They entirely lack theological understanding. They don’t know any history, ancient or modern, and often readily admit as much. They have no idea how many peace deals the Palestinian establishment has rejected over the decades, and couldn’t really care less. They spout whatever fake news is fed to them via TikTok, or the latest made-up statistics from the Hamas health authorities.
They wave LGBTQ+ flags while chanting “from the river to the sea”, not realising that gay people are routinely murdered in Islamist dictatorships. They purport to care about minorities, but all too frequently have been filmed engaging in despicable anti-Semitic hate speech, such as calling on Jews to “return to Poland”. They don’t understand the difference between free speech and intimidation, trespass and violence.
They have no positive vision, no meaningful reality-based plan, nothing useful to contribute. They don’t care about Iranian women assaulted by the regime, or Coptic Christians who are being attacked in Egypt, or Hezbollah’s slow-motion religious cleansing of Lebanon. Their heart isn’t in the right place, and they should not be given the benefit of the doubt.
They claim to hate nation-states and to believe in open borders, but their encampments look strangely like the “fascistic” countries they loathe: there are borders, entry points, guards, identity checks, enforcers, and the expulsion of any member of the out-group that dares to show up – in this case, “Zionists” who are banned from libraries or going to lectures. Joe Biden has disgraced himself for doing so little about a disgusting spectacle with echoes of the 1930s.
The protesters’ problem is partly psychological, as exposed with brutal clarity by videos on social media. The most spoiled generation in history, used to being shielded from every threat by helicopter parents, they feel hard done by as the police belatedly storm their barricades.
Many young activists have been turned into self-entitled narcissists by a culture that tells them that society owes them everything, that the world revolves around them, that great institutions must change to make them feel more comfortable, that there is such a thing as “their truth”. They find it hard to distinguish between virtue-signalling and actual deeds.
They spend so long online or editing selfies that they aren’t always sure what is real life and what is fantasy. Hence ludicrous scenes of protesters play-acting what they wrongly believe to be happening in Gaza: students passing food through prison-style bars, a protester, oozing self-pity, asking for water lest she “die of dehydration”, demands for “humanitarian aid” from the university authorities.
It’s a pathetic case of weakness being turned into the only moral value, of delusional activists so detached from the harsh reality of real wars that they believe those they demonstrate against owe them free food. It is cosplay politics, protest as a performance art, made for a gullible, easily manipulated smartphone generation that cannot distinguish fact from fiction.
The protesters have been contaminated by two ideological viruses which have made them allergic to their own societies. They have swallowed the lie that the West is the fount of all evil, that we are racist and sexist, that our achievements are illusory, the product of looting and colonialism, and that we are destroying the planet. They feel shame, not pride, and believe in the need to forever atone for our sins and those of our ancestors.
It is no coincidence that we almost never see British or American flags at pro-Palestine demonstrations on the streets of London, but always spot union flags (as well as Israeli and pre-revolutionary Iranian ones) at the pro-Israel counter-protests. The conflict is a proxy battle for the soul of the West.
Young activists have been taught a simplistic theory of “social justice”: individuals, groups or countries that aren’t doing as well as they would expect are “victims” who “deserve” a lot more, and those that are doing better are “oppressors” who don’t deserve their wealth. The origins of this are partly Marxist and partly drawn from a residual cultural Christianity focused exclusively on the idea that “the meek shall inherit the earth”.
This dichotomy has bred a defeatist culture of victimhood and entitlement which downplays individual agency, promotes welfarism, confiscatory taxation and rejects hard work. It has fuelled anti-Semitic and other conspiracy theories, and successful minorities are being targeted for vicious “reverse” discrimination.
It has led to an inane assumption that all poor countries are automatically good and all rich ones inherently bad. Britain and America are uber-oppressors; China is treated with indifference or indulgence. The barbaric Iranian regime is viewed as an ally, as it opposes “the Great Satan”. Hamas, a genocidal dictatorship is, by definition, a “victim”; Israel, a multi-faith democracy, is the oppressor, even though the Israelis left Gaza in 2005 and even though Hamas raped, kidnapped and murdered Israelis.
The horseshoe theory of politics has come true: traditionally far-Left and far-Right tropes have fused into a full-service, sickeningly authoritarian woke replacement ideology lapped up by those, especially young Westerners, who are losing trust in democracy. Don’t be fooled: the protests defiling universities may be naive, amateurish and solipsistic, but they are the harbinger of far worse to come."

Did anyone actually manage to read
all this? There are so many derogatory nonsense terms that I couldn’t face reading the whole thing. Wonder if the author gets this angry about children being killed in Gaza, or if all this hate is reserved for university students. I think they need therapy.

Auvergne63 · 02/05/2024 17:26

Oakstreet · 02/05/2024 17:01

Absolutely of course.In fact it was Normal Finklestrein , Miko Peled, and Gideon Levy to name just a few who have really opened my eyes to zionism. Goodness, I cried when I watched Schindlers list. And to see what the government has been doing to Palestinian for 75 years is horrific.
So to answer your question,yes. But you're going use any excuse to justify the genocide of many children. I'm not religious so throwing the OT biblical God who by the way seems to different to Jesus doesn't wash with me. There is absolutely no way anyone can justify genocide. And it didn't start 7th October. Oppossimg the brutality of military and government after years of humiliation, oppression, murder, stealing more land, and forcing Natives who have lived in the land for hundreds of years is not anti semitic. It's a humanitarian issue. It's the way the US and UK government have behaved towards it all.

I feel the same.
This is a really interesting short film on how we shouldn't conflate Judaism and Zionism.
Don’t conflate Judaism and Zionism – a short film | Jewish Voice for Labour
Another interesting article on the language used in the media.
Why we need to stop using ‘pro-Palestine’ and ‘pro-Israel’ | Judith Levine | The Guardian

Don’t conflate Judaism and Zionism – a short film

Reel News has produced this short and thought provoking film that looks with some nuance at a journey away from…

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/dont-conflate-judaism-and-zionism-a-short-film/

Polka83 · 02/05/2024 18:08

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 02/05/2024 15:57

From The Daily Telegraph:
"Covid is long since over, but the protesters still wear face masks: the ignorant, entitled little delinquents running riot in so many of the world’s greatest universities are truly an embarrassment. The product of a catastrophic social experiment, of years of brainwashing and coddling, they embody all of the Western world’s most debilitating pathologies.
Their childish, self-important antics would be risible were their normalisation of hatred not so ominous, their rejection of democratic, liberal and conservative norms alike not so terrifying. Previous generations of protesters at least had a cause, sometimes a very powerful and just one; this bunch are self-loathing, inchoate nihilists who hate the West, hate America, hate Britain, hate Israel, and want to tear down everything great about our civilisation.
The keffiyeh-clad protesters claim to support the Palestinian cause, but are staggeringly ignorant about the realities of the Middle East. They entirely lack theological understanding. They don’t know any history, ancient or modern, and often readily admit as much. They have no idea how many peace deals the Palestinian establishment has rejected over the decades, and couldn’t really care less. They spout whatever fake news is fed to them via TikTok, or the latest made-up statistics from the Hamas health authorities.
They wave LGBTQ+ flags while chanting “from the river to the sea”, not realising that gay people are routinely murdered in Islamist dictatorships. They purport to care about minorities, but all too frequently have been filmed engaging in despicable anti-Semitic hate speech, such as calling on Jews to “return to Poland”. They don’t understand the difference between free speech and intimidation, trespass and violence.
They have no positive vision, no meaningful reality-based plan, nothing useful to contribute. They don’t care about Iranian women assaulted by the regime, or Coptic Christians who are being attacked in Egypt, or Hezbollah’s slow-motion religious cleansing of Lebanon. Their heart isn’t in the right place, and they should not be given the benefit of the doubt.
They claim to hate nation-states and to believe in open borders, but their encampments look strangely like the “fascistic” countries they loathe: there are borders, entry points, guards, identity checks, enforcers, and the expulsion of any member of the out-group that dares to show up – in this case, “Zionists” who are banned from libraries or going to lectures. Joe Biden has disgraced himself for doing so little about a disgusting spectacle with echoes of the 1930s.
The protesters’ problem is partly psychological, as exposed with brutal clarity by videos on social media. The most spoiled generation in history, used to being shielded from every threat by helicopter parents, they feel hard done by as the police belatedly storm their barricades.
Many young activists have been turned into self-entitled narcissists by a culture that tells them that society owes them everything, that the world revolves around them, that great institutions must change to make them feel more comfortable, that there is such a thing as “their truth”. They find it hard to distinguish between virtue-signalling and actual deeds.
They spend so long online or editing selfies that they aren’t always sure what is real life and what is fantasy. Hence ludicrous scenes of protesters play-acting what they wrongly believe to be happening in Gaza: students passing food through prison-style bars, a protester, oozing self-pity, asking for water lest she “die of dehydration”, demands for “humanitarian aid” from the university authorities.
It’s a pathetic case of weakness being turned into the only moral value, of delusional activists so detached from the harsh reality of real wars that they believe those they demonstrate against owe them free food. It is cosplay politics, protest as a performance art, made for a gullible, easily manipulated smartphone generation that cannot distinguish fact from fiction.
The protesters have been contaminated by two ideological viruses which have made them allergic to their own societies. They have swallowed the lie that the West is the fount of all evil, that we are racist and sexist, that our achievements are illusory, the product of looting and colonialism, and that we are destroying the planet. They feel shame, not pride, and believe in the need to forever atone for our sins and those of our ancestors.
It is no coincidence that we almost never see British or American flags at pro-Palestine demonstrations on the streets of London, but always spot union flags (as well as Israeli and pre-revolutionary Iranian ones) at the pro-Israel counter-protests. The conflict is a proxy battle for the soul of the West.
Young activists have been taught a simplistic theory of “social justice”: individuals, groups or countries that aren’t doing as well as they would expect are “victims” who “deserve” a lot more, and those that are doing better are “oppressors” who don’t deserve their wealth. The origins of this are partly Marxist and partly drawn from a residual cultural Christianity focused exclusively on the idea that “the meek shall inherit the earth”.
This dichotomy has bred a defeatist culture of victimhood and entitlement which downplays individual agency, promotes welfarism, confiscatory taxation and rejects hard work. It has fuelled anti-Semitic and other conspiracy theories, and successful minorities are being targeted for vicious “reverse” discrimination.
It has led to an inane assumption that all poor countries are automatically good and all rich ones inherently bad. Britain and America are uber-oppressors; China is treated with indifference or indulgence. The barbaric Iranian regime is viewed as an ally, as it opposes “the Great Satan”. Hamas, a genocidal dictatorship is, by definition, a “victim”; Israel, a multi-faith democracy, is the oppressor, even though the Israelis left Gaza in 2005 and even though Hamas raped, kidnapped and murdered Israelis.
The horseshoe theory of politics has come true: traditionally far-Left and far-Right tropes have fused into a full-service, sickeningly authoritarian woke replacement ideology lapped up by those, especially young Westerners, who are losing trust in democracy. Don’t be fooled: the protests defiling universities may be naive, amateurish and solipsistic, but they are the harbinger of far worse to come."

And do you agree with the nonsense written here?

Kindatired · 02/05/2024 19:09

Yeah the Jewish Lobby, throwing all their money around to smear people

No , hawkish pro-Israeli lobby group. Not only will AIPAC use some of its $100 million budget to smear Jewish candidates, it will even smear pro-Israeli Jewish candidates that recognise the rights of Palestinians . AIPAC spent $4million spent smearing Levin in 2022

Levin has said, "AIPAC can’t stand the idea that I am the clearest, strongest Jewish voice in Congress standing for a simple proposition: that there is no way to have a secure, democratic homeland for the Jewish people unless we achieve the political and human rights of the Palestinians”

noblegiraffe · 02/05/2024 19:25

Wait till you hear what tobacco companies get up to.

There are loads of lobby groups with various interests. Hyper-focusing on a particular Jewish one certainly starts sounding like 'Jews secretly run the world'.

stormy4319trevor · 02/05/2024 19:26

TheKeenAmberHedgehog · 02/05/2024 15:57

From The Daily Telegraph:
"Covid is long since over, but the protesters still wear face masks: the ignorant, entitled little delinquents running riot in so many of the world’s greatest universities are truly an embarrassment. The product of a catastrophic social experiment, of years of brainwashing and coddling, they embody all of the Western world’s most debilitating pathologies.
Their childish, self-important antics would be risible were their normalisation of hatred not so ominous, their rejection of democratic, liberal and conservative norms alike not so terrifying. Previous generations of protesters at least had a cause, sometimes a very powerful and just one; this bunch are self-loathing, inchoate nihilists who hate the West, hate America, hate Britain, hate Israel, and want to tear down everything great about our civilisation.
The keffiyeh-clad protesters claim to support the Palestinian cause, but are staggeringly ignorant about the realities of the Middle East. They entirely lack theological understanding. They don’t know any history, ancient or modern, and often readily admit as much. They have no idea how many peace deals the Palestinian establishment has rejected over the decades, and couldn’t really care less. They spout whatever fake news is fed to them via TikTok, or the latest made-up statistics from the Hamas health authorities.
They wave LGBTQ+ flags while chanting “from the river to the sea”, not realising that gay people are routinely murdered in Islamist dictatorships. They purport to care about minorities, but all too frequently have been filmed engaging in despicable anti-Semitic hate speech, such as calling on Jews to “return to Poland”. They don’t understand the difference between free speech and intimidation, trespass and violence.
They have no positive vision, no meaningful reality-based plan, nothing useful to contribute. They don’t care about Iranian women assaulted by the regime, or Coptic Christians who are being attacked in Egypt, or Hezbollah’s slow-motion religious cleansing of Lebanon. Their heart isn’t in the right place, and they should not be given the benefit of the doubt.
They claim to hate nation-states and to believe in open borders, but their encampments look strangely like the “fascistic” countries they loathe: there are borders, entry points, guards, identity checks, enforcers, and the expulsion of any member of the out-group that dares to show up – in this case, “Zionists” who are banned from libraries or going to lectures. Joe Biden has disgraced himself for doing so little about a disgusting spectacle with echoes of the 1930s.
The protesters’ problem is partly psychological, as exposed with brutal clarity by videos on social media. The most spoiled generation in history, used to being shielded from every threat by helicopter parents, they feel hard done by as the police belatedly storm their barricades.
Many young activists have been turned into self-entitled narcissists by a culture that tells them that society owes them everything, that the world revolves around them, that great institutions must change to make them feel more comfortable, that there is such a thing as “their truth”. They find it hard to distinguish between virtue-signalling and actual deeds.
They spend so long online or editing selfies that they aren’t always sure what is real life and what is fantasy. Hence ludicrous scenes of protesters play-acting what they wrongly believe to be happening in Gaza: students passing food through prison-style bars, a protester, oozing self-pity, asking for water lest she “die of dehydration”, demands for “humanitarian aid” from the university authorities.
It’s a pathetic case of weakness being turned into the only moral value, of delusional activists so detached from the harsh reality of real wars that they believe those they demonstrate against owe them free food. It is cosplay politics, protest as a performance art, made for a gullible, easily manipulated smartphone generation that cannot distinguish fact from fiction.
The protesters have been contaminated by two ideological viruses which have made them allergic to their own societies. They have swallowed the lie that the West is the fount of all evil, that we are racist and sexist, that our achievements are illusory, the product of looting and colonialism, and that we are destroying the planet. They feel shame, not pride, and believe in the need to forever atone for our sins and those of our ancestors.
It is no coincidence that we almost never see British or American flags at pro-Palestine demonstrations on the streets of London, but always spot union flags (as well as Israeli and pre-revolutionary Iranian ones) at the pro-Israel counter-protests. The conflict is a proxy battle for the soul of the West.
Young activists have been taught a simplistic theory of “social justice”: individuals, groups or countries that aren’t doing as well as they would expect are “victims” who “deserve” a lot more, and those that are doing better are “oppressors” who don’t deserve their wealth. The origins of this are partly Marxist and partly drawn from a residual cultural Christianity focused exclusively on the idea that “the meek shall inherit the earth”.
This dichotomy has bred a defeatist culture of victimhood and entitlement which downplays individual agency, promotes welfarism, confiscatory taxation and rejects hard work. It has fuelled anti-Semitic and other conspiracy theories, and successful minorities are being targeted for vicious “reverse” discrimination.
It has led to an inane assumption that all poor countries are automatically good and all rich ones inherently bad. Britain and America are uber-oppressors; China is treated with indifference or indulgence. The barbaric Iranian regime is viewed as an ally, as it opposes “the Great Satan”. Hamas, a genocidal dictatorship is, by definition, a “victim”; Israel, a multi-faith democracy, is the oppressor, even though the Israelis left Gaza in 2005 and even though Hamas raped, kidnapped and murdered Israelis.
The horseshoe theory of politics has come true: traditionally far-Left and far-Right tropes have fused into a full-service, sickeningly authoritarian woke replacement ideology lapped up by those, especially young Westerners, who are losing trust in democracy. Don’t be fooled: the protests defiling universities may be naive, amateurish and solipsistic, but they are the harbinger of far worse to come."

Never thought I'd say it, but OK Boomer.

MushMonster · 02/05/2024 19:29

I read the whole Telegraph thing 😢

I fully agree with the article from the Guardian. Now, that is a proper read.

oharobot · 02/05/2024 19:32

Kindatired · 02/05/2024 19:09

Yeah the Jewish Lobby, throwing all their money around to smear people

No , hawkish pro-Israeli lobby group. Not only will AIPAC use some of its $100 million budget to smear Jewish candidates, it will even smear pro-Israeli Jewish candidates that recognise the rights of Palestinians . AIPAC spent $4million spent smearing Levin in 2022

Levin has said, "AIPAC can’t stand the idea that I am the clearest, strongest Jewish voice in Congress standing for a simple proposition: that there is no way to have a secure, democratic homeland for the Jewish people unless we achieve the political and human rights of the Palestinians”

So why the mention of how many "Jewish connected Americans" there are?

SharonEllis · 02/05/2024 20:16

Oakstreet · 02/05/2024 09:06

Really? And to the expense of generations of palestinians who have lived on the land for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's extreme, and very racist. Reading the Generals son. By Mike Peled is an eye opener. They are brainwashed from kindergarten with extreme views. Sorry poster. People are travelling more now, visiting the land, talking to people, and your view is becoming less acceptable. All humans are equal. And don't deserve to be thrown out of their land.

Indeed, Jews do not deserve to be thrown out of their land. How is zionism racist? It is simply the view that Jews, ejected from the Holy land, and persecuted ever since wherever they went, have a right to their homeland in Israel. If you believe this is extreme and racist are you saying Jews are not entitled to live in Israel? If Jews are not allowed to live in Israel where do you suggest they live?

Kindatired · 02/05/2024 20:32

@oharobot
To give a general idea of the number of people who would feel a connection to Israel for religious, cultural or ethnic reasons . Maybe “ Israel connected“would be a better term?

A lot of money is spent by these lobbyists to make sure that both Republicans and Democrats support Israel militarily and the more hawkish lobby groups have the most funds. The defeat of Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign ( himself Jewish) is attributed to AIPC and AIPAC didn’t support a third of Jewish candidates in the 2022 congressional elections - presumably not pro Israeli enough.

In Sanders was president, Netanyahu would not be giving him the two fingers because Sanders was funded by small individual donations. One suspects that the”brown envelope” culture of Irish politics lives on across the Atlantic after the old country was cleaned up

oharobot · 02/05/2024 20:36

Kindatired · 02/05/2024 20:32

@oharobot
To give a general idea of the number of people who would feel a connection to Israel for religious, cultural or ethnic reasons . Maybe “ Israel connected“would be a better term?

A lot of money is spent by these lobbyists to make sure that both Republicans and Democrats support Israel militarily and the more hawkish lobby groups have the most funds. The defeat of Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign ( himself Jewish) is attributed to AIPC and AIPAC didn’t support a third of Jewish candidates in the 2022 congressional elections - presumably not pro Israeli enough.

In Sanders was president, Netanyahu would not be giving him the two fingers because Sanders was funded by small individual donations. One suspects that the”brown envelope” culture of Irish politics lives on across the Atlantic after the old country was cleaned up

But if an Israeli lobby group is completely separate to a Jewish Lobby group then why does the number of Jewish people in America matter?

ScrollingLeaves · 02/05/2024 20:52

EasterIssland · 02/05/2024 12:26

I’ve been reading conflicting info about this woman.

this other account claims that she wasn’t beaten unconscious, it’s not clear it was protesters that hit her , it didn’t happen when they said it happened, and it wasn’t the reason why peo Israel supporters attacked the protesters as some accounts on social media and news are claiming

https://twitter.com/TrevorSutcliffe/status/1785850241536901515

That last picture with captions refers to the young Jewish girl beaten by “Hamas occupiers ”.

As I know that she would not have been beaten by “Hamas occupiers”
( the USA counter terrorism would have arrested Hamas occupiers) I cannot help but suspect other details of the story.

Perhaps it will emerge.

Polka83 · 02/05/2024 21:04

Article on the disproportionate use of force and why. Do think there’s something about the message being policed.

“The negligible acts of property damage were not, of course, what was being policed. Nor was the holding of campus space; students have done this before in recent decades without their university administrators inviting the force of militarized police.
Instead, it was the protesters’ message that was being handcuffed — the condemnation of Israel and the calls for a free Palestine — and young peoples’ commitment to it.”

https://theintercept.com/2024/05/01/nyc-gaza-college-protests-police-outside-agitators/

I’ve Covered Violent Crackdowns on Protests for 15 Years. This Police Overreaction Was Unhinged.

When police attacked student protesters, a lone trash can was the only damaged property I saw around City College of New York.

https://theintercept.com/2024/05/01/nyc-gaza-college-protests-police-outside-agitators/

LordPercyPercy · 02/05/2024 21:48

https://twitter.com/NiohBerg/status/1786125119280103835

The chatter/footage I've seen on twitter suggests that the counter-attacks at UCLA were Iranian Jews in revenge for this incident.

https://twitter.com/NiohBerg/status/1786125119280103835

Finallyloggedin · 02/05/2024 22:00

https://x.com/alanrmacleod/status/1786128312609157497?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog.

Annelise Orleck, Head of Jewish Studies at Dartmouth, has been banned from Campus for six months after protecting Jewish students protesting for Palestine from police attacks

https://x.com/alanrmacleod/status/1786128312609157497?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

BelleHathor · 02/05/2024 22:05

Finallyloggedin · 02/05/2024 22:00

https://x.com/alanrmacleod/status/1786128312609157497?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog.

Annelise Orleck, Head of Jewish Studies at Dartmouth, has been banned from Campus for six months after protecting Jewish students protesting for Palestine from police attacks

America 2024! Ban the Jewish professor who was protecting her students. Brave woman after the scenes we saw with other teachers being violently arrested. We're living in bizarro world.

EasterIssland · 02/05/2024 22:07

The Department of Education has announced that @Columbia University is under federal investigation for anti-Palestinian discrimination and harassment. @pal_legal is representing four Palestinian students and Columbia sjp
https://twitter.com/ColumbiaSJP/status/1786103595277992177

https://twitter.com/ColumbiaSJP/status/1786103595277992177

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Finallyloggedin · 02/05/2024 22:38

@BelleHathor i agree. Not sure how so many people seem to be falling for the obvious bs, the power of dishonest reporting I guess.

I still haven’t been able to catch up with everything properly, news is just moving so fast… But one thing which I am in awe of is the bravery of the students. They really are amazing, aren’t they? Knowing that the police will do nothing to protect them from violent mobs, and will stand aside except to join in and shoot them with rubber bullets, Wtf?!

The irony of all the hate directed towards these students for protesting a literal genocide. Meanwhile genuinely terrifying Neo nazi hate marches are allowed to take place in the US in the name of free speech. They really are very scary yet they don’t seem to have half the bad press, absolutely bonkers!

The students who are trying to stand up for the Palestinians would also, I am sure, try to defend the rights of any group being persecuted. There are obvious reasons why they are focusing on what is happening to the Palestinians at the moment but of course they would also want to divest from Saudi arms sales, support other persecuted groups, etc etc. it’s just another disingenuous argument made to try to draw attention away from the genocide. I think that is known by the press, the politicians, the counter protestors, etc, etc. The students are attacked precisely because they are an easy target.

Kindatired · 02/05/2024 22:45

oharobot · 02/05/2024 20:36

But if an Israeli lobby group is completely separate to a Jewish Lobby group then why does the number of Jewish people in America matter?

I think it’s like those Venn diagrams in maths. I don’t think that you could say completely separate.Most of those who are pro Israeli fall into to two groups-people with cultural, religious ties or Christians who believe that scriptures will be fulfilled by the return of the people of Israel and then a minority of people with a vested interest in the arms trade and value the reinvestment of military “aid” back into the US. So you probably aren’t going to find many people from a Hispanic or black background involved with AIPAC unless they are a candidate that has been a recipient. But AIPAC is very influential in mainstream US politics and its power overshadows the less hawkish groups.Its particularly relevant in an election year like this, when Israel has used up a lot of munitions and needs more, both for defence, but also to prosecute the ground offensive that it wants in Rafa
Lobbying is entirely legal in the US, not necessarily sinister,and lobby groups like to flaunt their influence to encourage donors to donate more.
J Street for instance is pro-Israeli and supports a two state solution but doesn’t have the influence /funds that AIPAC has. I am probably biased from living in Manhattan for 8 years-probably very pinko lefty thing going on.People with other life experiences will no doubt have a different interpretation.I’m sorry if my post had caused offence because I feel from your post you may think it is an attack on your religion/ ethnicity/culture and this was not intended

SharonEllis · 02/05/2024 22:50

Finallyloggedin · 02/05/2024 22:38

@BelleHathor i agree. Not sure how so many people seem to be falling for the obvious bs, the power of dishonest reporting I guess.

I still haven’t been able to catch up with everything properly, news is just moving so fast… But one thing which I am in awe of is the bravery of the students. They really are amazing, aren’t they? Knowing that the police will do nothing to protect them from violent mobs, and will stand aside except to join in and shoot them with rubber bullets, Wtf?!

The irony of all the hate directed towards these students for protesting a literal genocide. Meanwhile genuinely terrifying Neo nazi hate marches are allowed to take place in the US in the name of free speech. They really are very scary yet they don’t seem to have half the bad press, absolutely bonkers!

The students who are trying to stand up for the Palestinians would also, I am sure, try to defend the rights of any group being persecuted. There are obvious reasons why they are focusing on what is happening to the Palestinians at the moment but of course they would also want to divest from Saudi arms sales, support other persecuted groups, etc etc. it’s just another disingenuous argument made to try to draw attention away from the genocide. I think that is known by the press, the politicians, the counter protestors, etc, etc. The students are attacked precisely because they are an easy target.

What evidence do you have that these students 'would' stand up for other groups? Can you point me to the mass protests & the peace camps for the Uigyurs?

Finallyloggedin · 02/05/2024 22:51

https://x.com/joshuaphilll/status/1786143251545932127?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

”The people who pretend an encampment in more dangerous to students than these cops are lying. You don't have to pretend they're making a real argument. Because they're not, and you can't have a good faith argument with someone who won't be honest.” Joshua P Hill

https://x.com/joshuaphilll/status/1786143251545932127?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Murica · 02/05/2024 23:00

SharonEllis · 02/05/2024 22:50

What evidence do you have that these students 'would' stand up for other groups? Can you point me to the mass protests & the peace camps for the Uigyurs?

For their all blathering about colonizers they don't seem to be too concerned about the Native Americans whose land they're on.
x.com/JonaSalKupper/status/1784084542472515603

SharonEllis · 02/05/2024 23:12

Murica · 02/05/2024 23:00

For their all blathering about colonizers they don't seem to be too concerned about the Native Americans whose land they're on.
x.com/JonaSalKupper/status/1784084542472515603

Well, quite. Self awareness not their strong suit.

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