University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

[EasterIssland]

Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

@EasterIssland yes, I believe so.

It was reported on when one of the colleges at either Oxford or Cambridge were taking down a statue of a founder who had links with the slave trade. The same college had received funding from China. So the hypocrisy was pointed out.

Personally I think all these stupid privileged students in crop tops should shut up and go home. That way their universities and their government can get on with the job of supporting the death of men, women and children in Gaza, alongside the destruction of universities, hospitals and homes in Gaza, in peace. And let’s not forget all the human rights abuses in West Bank.
But maybe none of that is important and we should vilify ALL these protestors for actually giving a shit and trying to make some kind of a difference, to a situation that many of us feel powerless to resolve.

Similarly no student uproar about Saudi Arabia's involvement in bombing Yemen?

Some causes are more fashionable.

Did America support or fund this? Genuine question.

@PeasfullPerson I really don't know. Just bits I've picked up listening to radio 4 in the mornings.

OK. I think that when saying why aren’t they talking about other conflicts then it’s important to consider whether it’s being funded or supported by their government (or in this case university).

Otherwise it isn’t comparing like for like.

Yes the US government supports Saudi Arabia through military exchanges, arms sales, investments and close government cooperation. And yes, US university endowment funds have investments in Saudi linked corporations.

If there are already sanctions in place or lack of formal support for a government acting immorally and illegally, then there is nothing to protest about.

Thanks. Based on what you have said it sounds like this should also be protested about then, but I don’t know enough to be certain of that. Happy to be pointed to some resources to learn more.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-55941588

And? Joe Biden has also called for a ceasefire in Gaza. Relations with and investments in Saudi Arabia continue.

From what I read the other day when someone else asked about Saudi Arabia in uk at least there has been protests several times for universities to cut ties with arm trades companies. (Bae system , rolls Royce and few more). I posted a link few days ago

It sounds as though they have at least stopped supplying them with military support and selling them weapons. Would you say that’s a fair assessment?

Thanks @EasterIssland for that info.

I find this whole university demonstration thing undemocratic and very concerning.

I want a ceasefire and I want justice for Palestinians. I’m interested in what Palestinians and Israelis say. But I’m not interested in what students in US universities have to say . Most of them are virtue signaling for each other .

I was just googling funding of US universities and came across this interesting article from 2020 about correlation between Qatar funding US universities and a rise in antisemitism on campus

https://www.newsweek.com/unreported-foreign-donations-universities-foment-anti-semitism-opinion-1546139

We know they bought the World Cup to try to influence public opinion too.

Yeah the Jewish Lobby, throwing all their money around to smear people. 🙄Right?

And the Saudis are killing Yemeni Houthis who, with Iran, are enemies of Israel. Meanwhile Iran is helping Russia.

If the USA and U.K. turned their back on Saudi Arabia and this lead to Houthis and Iran becoming even bolder in their attacks on Israel, that would be harmful for Israelis.

But in the 8 years between 2014 and 2022 the number of Yemeni civilians killed is roughly the same as the number of Palestinian woman and children killed in Gaza by Israel in just 6 months.

And the vast sums given to Israel by the US are not given to Saudi Arabia.

The news here in the U.K. does not report much about this subject.
It all seems difficult to understand.

This.

There are undoubtedly great students among them. Sadly x shows an awful lot of terrorism support, odd behaviour etc. I won't post it here but there's lots.

I wish the ones who are great would tell the others that they aren't helping at all. Burning American flags in America but popping Palestinian flags up doesn't get too much support either.

I know when she demanded humanitarian aid for the students. 😂

I did watch videos of what happened when both groups were face to face yesterday night and OMG! I cannot believe it! Many of the group attacking the protesters camp did look old enough not to be students. They came in with sticks, fireworks, some sprays and so on.
The Security hid away.
Apparently, police took hours to intervene? Why would they allow for this violent confrontation to go on for a second longer than it took them to get there?
It is a disgrace.
We have planned protests at Universities in UK next. Here hoping none of this chaos makes it to ours.
If there going to be protests against a war, please let's make it peacefully and about peace.
But I think we should take note and do not allow opposing groups nearby at all. At least they are willing to sit down on a table and talk about their issues and so set an example for the leaders who can sort this madness once and for all.

Sadly the levels of polarised opinion and hatred lead to this: Jewish girl beaten unconscious by pro Palestine group, rushed to hospital.

No words. Protests that hurt people, who are nothing to do with the war, awful.

https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1785457052028117153

Many of the attackers have been identified. Most of them are not students and some of them have been causing problems in ucla in the last few days.

Really? And to the expense of generations of palestinians who have lived on the land for hundreds and hundreds of years. It's extreme, and very racist. Reading the Generals son. By Mike Peled is an eye opener. They are brainwashed from kindergarten with extreme views. Sorry poster. People are travelling more now, visiting the land, talking to people, and your view is becoming less acceptable. All humans are equal. And don't deserve to be thrown out of their land.

I did watch the videos on it.
There was a girl dressed in a beiged pink jumpsuit or similar who was pulled away by a group and was no longer seen on camera. It could have been her or other.
I did witness enough serious beating going on. And the reporters did mention unconcious student.
I am also aware that these outsiders had been harrassing the students for a few nights. And they are the ones who brought the violence in.