University students rising up against ties with Israel (title edited by MNHQ at request of OP)

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Many university students are raising up against the ties their universities have with Israel. Students are asking for this agreements to stop
I can see this is happening in USA which has been in the news quite a lot but I can also read news about Paris as well as UK.

I really doubt much will change but I’m glad people are against these agreements. We can’t change what Israel / Hamas do. But we should be able to change what our governments / universities do.

Even Russia hasn’t targeted hospitals, universities and even places of worship.

Actually they do. Hospitals, churches etc have been attacked.

At Columbia, not yesterday but last January, and about what appears to be a ‘joke’ spray rather than a more harmful, illegal for humans, ‘Bear spray’ which is what I brought up. I think you may have wanted to brush it off.

As for the fact I said an ex IDF soldier, it is salient imo. That means the ex soldier was neither a young student, nor a very dignified ex soldier if he was just using ‘prank’ farts as you suggest.

Perhaps being ex IDF also has a bearing given this report about the same event.

Protesters allegedly sprayed with hazardous chemical at pro-Palestinian rally, nearly two dozen report Several students identified the substance as “Skunk,” a chemical developed in Israel and used for crowd control in the West Bank.

excerpt,

Earlier on Sunday, a Columbia University official confirmed that the University was “aware of social media posts on an alleged incident” and “conferring with the NYPD.” At the time, Public Safety had received one complaint, according to the official.

Three students identified the substance as “Skunk,” a chemical developed by the Israeli firm Odortec and employed by the Israeli military against demonstrators in the West Bank, according to the BBC. The company Mistral Security supplies Skunk in the United States and describes the “non-lethal vile smelling liquid” as causing crowds to “cease their activities while allowing Law Enforcement to gain control with minimum injuries and casualties.”

Aside from its stench—which has been compared to sewage and rotting flesh—side effects of the chemical include nausea, skin rash, and vomiting, according to a 2016 report on crowd-control weapons by the American Civil Liberties Union.

The whole article from The Columbia Spectator is here:
https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/01/22/protesters-allegedly-sprayed-with-hazardous-chemical-at-pro-palestinian-rally-nearly-two-dozen-report/

BBC article about IDF Skunk use on Palestinians.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34227609

@ScrollingLeaves the event I’m referring to at Columbia involving Ilhan
Omar’s daughter happened last Monday. Compulsory service in the IDF for an 18 year old is 32 months, so yes the fart spray guy was a relatively young student.

That's because Ukraine doesn't put soldiers and military installations and underground tunnels in hospitals & places of worship! The comparison with Russia is ridiculous. Ukraine did not attack Russia & murder & kidnap its citizens. Come on, whatever you think about Israel's actions lets try & keep a basis of truth to the discussion.

'Humanitarian aid'. My god, it profoundly embarassing thst these over priveleged kids expect us to take them seriously.

Interesting that students don't seem to care about China having links despite their treatment of the Uigers.

I am sorry I was wrong in thinking it was the January Columbia incident, which involved the ex IDF soldier, to which you had been referring.

As I had written,
“For interest, possibly you [were] talking about this incident where an ex IDF Columbia student used “fart spray” on protesters”
and gave the headline and link,

…and you answered without correcting me to say it was not that incident and did not involve an ex IDF soldier, I had gone in assuming the January incident was the one.

Anyway it is interesting to learn about these various sprays.
But now, talking about the January incident, I personally think the Columbia student/ex IDF soldier should not have been inflicting his West Bank IDF Skunk tactics to his New York fellow students.

@whiteroseredrose yup, sadly their concern for Muslims doesn’t extend to the Uighurs. But they’re not alone in this.

What Jewish people are you referring to sorry?

So they counter protesters are fake, the pro-Palestinian protestors making anti-Semitic comments are fake. Anyone else?

Regarding the level of police brutality in the USA against students, it is worth noting that the NYPD and other police forces have been historically trained by the IDF.
I also saw a clip of an officer spitting on a Palestinian flag. I will try to find it.

The young woman you were referring to in connection to Columbia yesterday, was indeed, it turns out, talking about being affected by ‘chemicals’ at Columbia last January. ( See Teen Vogue link)

So no, it was not just jokey old fart spray from Amazon she was affected by, but Skunk spray as used, among other law enforcement agents, by the IDF against Palestinians. In this case an ex IDF Columbia student sprayed it on his fellow Columbia students whose protest he disagreed with.

https://www.columbiaspectator.com/news/2024/01/22/protesters-allegedly-sprayed-with-hazardous-chemical-at-pro-palestinian-rally-nearly-two-dozen-report/

www.teenvogue.com/story/isra-hirsi-ilhan-omar-columbia-arrests-barnard-suspension-palestine

Why would a police force want to be trained by a military defence force? Explains a lot with regards American police brutality

The majority of Americans support Israel:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/vast-majority-of-americans-back-israel-over-hamas-poll/ar-AA1nSBu5

An excerpt:

"Mark Penn, the co-director of the poll, said support for Israel “has not budged” despite the “campus unrest.” He said the student protests appear out of step with broader public attitudes on Israel and noted that the poll showed Americans largely want a cease-fire in the war but only after Hamas is removed from power and the hostages they seized during its Oct. 7 attack on Israel are returned. "

Do their universities have deals with Chinese government / companies ?

I agree - it’s telling that there are only protests when the ‘baddie’ is the one Jewish state in the world.

Do the protesters really think this is completely coincidental or irrelevant? I suspect some just haven’t thought about it in any depth, which is of course a problem in itself. However I think some are joining the protests because they are anti Semitic. It’s naive to think otherwise.

Trained in counter terrorism as Israel, sadly, are experts in dealing with constant terrorist attacks. Entirely normal for allies to share expertise.

@SharonEllis
So what you are saying is that(a) it’s ok to target schools hospitals and places of worship in self defence and (b) it’s ok to kill the people being used as human shields because it’s self defence?
But even the CIA has admitted that a ground offensive on Raffah will not eliminate Hamas and the scale of child casualties is too high to justify self defence.
Hamas has never had the capacity to destroy Israel

Unfortunately, many do.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/04/24/confucius-institutes-china-new-mexico-00027287

Not to mention the fact that their iPhones etc are all manufactured in China.

Out if interest , do you think it is a coincidence that students are protesting about their country’s direct involvement in and enablement of killing 34,500 Palestinian, people mainly women and children, and maiming about 75,000 others, starving those who remain, destroying their medical institutions, universities, schools, agriculture, and homes, with some factions ( as their country well knows) wanting to get rid of those people, one way or another, altogether?

https://x.com/hyphy_republic/status/1785703885514084713?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

photo of some of the thugs who attacked the ucla students. As predicted, they look too old to be students themselves.

@ScrollingLeaves were their similar protests at the US’s direct involvement in Syria?

After wondering about phones, for anyone thinking about alternative manufacturing countries, it seems there are a few available already and Apple is starting to produce some.

In 2023, the landscape has shifted so much that some companies are indeed not making tech in China anymore and slowly moving their products elsewhere.
For those who really are against technology manufactured in China, a report published near the end of 2022 in New York Times brings good tidings:

“In the coming weeks, Apple and Google will unveil their latest generation of smartphones, jockeying to distinguish the new devices from previous models. But one of the most significant changes will go largely unnoticed by consumers: Some of these phones will not be made in China,”wrote NYT.

According to the outlet, Apple started producing a small fraction of iPhone 14 models in India for the first time. Their sources also say that Google’s newest Pixel phone production has moved to Vietnam, though those sources did not specify which models.

and,

SO, IS THERE AN AMERICAN-MADE PHONE?
YES, JUST A SINGLE MODEL, AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THIS IS AN ETHICAL, CONSUMER-FRIENDLY PHONE.Meet the Librem 5, an American-made phone that’s focused on privacy and runs its own operating system, not Android or iOS, built with open-source code
techthelead.com/five-top-shelf-phones-that-are-not-made-in-china/

There are following smartphones not made in China,

• ASUS ZenFone 6 (Taiwan) ...
• ASUS ZenFone 5Z (Taiwan) ...
• LG G8 ThinQ (South Korea) ...
• LG V40 ThinQ (South Korea) ...
• LG V50 ThinQ (South Korea) ...
• Samsung Galaxy Note 10/10 Plus (South Korea) ...
• Galaxy S10 series (South Korea) ...
• Sony Xperia 1 (Japan).

18 Feb 2024 www.quora.com › Which-... Which mobile companies manufacture their phones outside of China or ...

Please read this report.
Where Do Many Police Departments Train? In Israel (amnestyusa.org)