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DomPom47 · 19/05/2024 22:41

Factsareimportantplease · 19/05/2024 21:05

In your previous reply you suggested that someone with no historical link could come and settle in Palestinian lands. (Of whom were you referring then?) I pointed out that Jewish people have historical links..... you now agree.

Personally I think a 2 state solution with international peace keeping. No more missiles lobbed into Israel and no settlers encroaching on lands that are outside the state boundary. Perhaps no man's land between where no one lives for safety

I meant a Jewish person from
abroad who says they have a link to the land due to family connections from centuries ago over the rights of a Palestinian who was made a refugee 70ish years ago.

I agree with you that with an international peacekeeping buffer zone there could be two states - similar to the buffer zone in Cyprus. It just comes to a fair division of the land. And both sides hopefully living in peace and security for generations to come.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/05/2024 00:26

Perhaps no man's land between where no one lives for safety

It would seem that Israel has already been busy bulldozing a large section of Gaza, a 1 kilometre wide path, along the border, specifically to turn it into a buffer zone. So Gaza will be even smaller.

This is apart from the wide scale destruction of the rest.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-war-gaza-strip-buffer-zone-72a782ddd532a4331b660a735e36acb0

Scirocco · 20/05/2024 09:58

To give Tripeandonions links their appropriate context:

The first link is from November 2023 and the article describes the march covered by the article as having been "largely peaceful".

The second link is from February 2024. In a march attended by "tens of thousands", the article reports 12 arrests (not specifically connected with hate crimes).

The third article is from May 2021. The headline refers to 7 arrests for antisemitic offences, at a march attended by thousands.

Even one antisemitic incident is one too many. All hate crimes should be condemned, and I hope that all individuals engaging in such activities have been brought to justice.

None of these links refer to the event referenced in DomPom47's post.

All the links indicate lower or similar rates of offending behaviours when comparing with rates frequently encountered at mass protests and events. The recent city celebrations in Glasgow for Celtic winning the premier league had an attendance of around 25,000 and 19 arrests (so far - inquiries are still ongoing), for example.

DomPom47 · 20/05/2024 10:25

Thank you for sharing.

I hope these individuals are caught because they are the very very few in the sea of peaceful protestors and they detract from the message of the peace that the main is giving.

As an aside I see Mr Shapps in the same category as caring peaceful Suella, disingenuous and one sided when it comes to what is happening. Again, no issue with settlements and no critical eye when looking at what Israel is doing.

Tripeandonions · 20/05/2024 10:30

Scirocco · 20/05/2024 09:58

To give Tripeandonions links their appropriate context:

The first link is from November 2023 and the article describes the march covered by the article as having been "largely peaceful".

The second link is from February 2024. In a march attended by "tens of thousands", the article reports 12 arrests (not specifically connected with hate crimes).

The third article is from May 2021. The headline refers to 7 arrests for antisemitic offences, at a march attended by thousands.

Even one antisemitic incident is one too many. All hate crimes should be condemned, and I hope that all individuals engaging in such activities have been brought to justice.

None of these links refer to the event referenced in DomPom47's post.

All the links indicate lower or similar rates of offending behaviours when comparing with rates frequently encountered at mass protests and events. The recent city celebrations in Glasgow for Celtic winning the premier league had an attendance of around 25,000 and 19 arrests (so far - inquiries are still ongoing), for example.

Having had a chance to study the footage I noticed the following messages on placards;-

"From the river to the sea Palestine will be free" - controversial if not antisemetic.

"Exist, resist, return "

"Back the resistance"

Peaceful ? I don't think so.

Inciting unrest - definitely.

EasterIssland · 20/05/2024 10:42

Sorry for interrupting and being the police thread but can I know what the last comments have to do with the thread ? There are several threads about antisemitism in the marches. Wouldn’t this comments be better in there ?

thanks

Tripeandonions · 20/05/2024 10:45

EasterIssland · 20/05/2024 10:42

Sorry for interrupting and being the police thread but can I know what the last comments have to do with the thread ? There are several threads about antisemitism in the marches. Wouldn’t this comments be better in there ?

thanks

Maybe have a word with @DomPom47 who posted a link about a Pro Palestine march at 20.09 yesterday, claiming it was "peaceful".

I said that the comment was open to interpretation, and posted links to support that.

anotherlevel · 20/05/2024 19:10

This has made me happy.

www.instagram.com/reel/C6_FUkysUwo/?igsh=MWNib2tzY3gwc2tvMA==

DomPom47 · 20/05/2024 19:51

Thank you Ofer Cassif, maybe if there were more ministers with your sense of clarity and justice in the Israeli government we wouldn’t have a genocide of Palestinians taking place:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7MQcPjI1qS/?igsh=MXN1dW92OGdjcHprMQ==

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7MQcPjI1qS/?igsh=MXN1dW92OGdjcHprMQ==

DomPom47 · 20/05/2024 20:02

Thank you students at Oxford University.
Ethnic cleansing of Palestines have been happening since the Nakba.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7MCjP9o-4C/?igsh=M3U5cWQ2bGZwemV5

Zein Rahman these IDF soldiers have no shame, they are the product of a government of pure hate towards Palestinians https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7MOJAlIJN-/?igsh=eWsxcTVraXhoaWpv
Thanks to their shameless behaviour this genocide is clear for all who have their eyes open to see.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7MCjP9o-4C/?igsh=M3U5cWQ2bGZwemV5

Tripeandonions · 21/05/2024 00:48

anotherlevel · 20/05/2024 19:10

Cute, but's what the relevance to the thread ??

Tripeandonions · 21/05/2024 00:55

@DomPom47 Your post of 20 May is old news

"Thank you students at Oxford University."

The students packed up and left on 17th May. Do try and keep up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl40yv51e1yo

Senate House with tents outside the building

Cambridge university Gaza protest leaves graduation lawn

The crowds leave Senate House, but only after the university arranged to move its graduation events.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cl40yv51e1yo

EasterIssland · 21/05/2024 09:25

A child killed in Jenin , West Bank, whilst he was on his bike

(tw )
https://x.com/QudsNen/status/1792793742166102404

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 11:59

This is almost beyond belief - no wonder the army/police take no action

Individual members of Israel’s security forces are tipping off far-right activists and settlers to the location of aid trucks delivering vital supplies to Gaza, enabling the groups to block and vandalise the convoys, according to multiple sources.

The claim of collusion by members of the security forces is supported by messages from internal internet chat groups reviewed by the Guardian as well as accounts from a number of witnesses and human rights activists

.https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/21/israeli-soldiers-and-police-tipping-off-groups-that-attack-gaza-aid-trucks

Israeli soldiers and police tipping off groups that attack Gaza aid trucks

Exclusive: Members of security forces giving settlers who intercept vital supplies information on location of convoys, group says

https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/21/israeli-soldiers-and-police-tipping-off-groups-that-attack-gaza-aid-trucks

Dulra · 21/05/2024 12:05

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 11:59

This is almost beyond belief - no wonder the army/police take no action

Individual members of Israel’s security forces are tipping off far-right activists and settlers to the location of aid trucks delivering vital supplies to Gaza, enabling the groups to block and vandalise the convoys, according to multiple sources.

The claim of collusion by members of the security forces is supported by messages from internal internet chat groups reviewed by the Guardian as well as accounts from a number of witnesses and human rights activists

.https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/21/israeli-soldiers-and-police-tipping-off-groups-that-attack-gaza-aid-trucks

Not surprising, and it will all be used as evidence against them hopefully. They are so blatant with their disregard for humanitarian law. I find the denial of food and medical supplies just pure evil it has no bearing on any military strategy to catch Hamas and release hostage's, why would anyone want to do that to vulnerable hungry children.

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 12:13

Dulra · 21/05/2024 12:05

Not surprising, and it will all be used as evidence against them hopefully. They are so blatant with their disregard for humanitarian law. I find the denial of food and medical supplies just pure evil it has no bearing on any military strategy to catch Hamas and release hostage's, why would anyone want to do that to vulnerable hungry children.

Agree it's more evidence

One thing I really don't understand is why they think the poor hostages won't be starving too - do they imagine that their Hamas captors are going to share their last crust with them

Are they just a bit thick?

EasterIssland · 21/05/2024 13:39

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 12:13

Agree it's more evidence

One thing I really don't understand is why they think the poor hostages won't be starving too - do they imagine that their Hamas captors are going to share their last crust with them

Are they just a bit thick?

Imo they don’t care. I’ve never thought Israel’s government is doing it for the hostages

DomPom47 · 21/05/2024 14:53

Netanyahu and Gallant are accused of extermination, causing starvation as a method of war, the denial of humanitarian relief supplies and deliberately targeting civilians.

I think we all know realistically nothing will come of the ICC arrest warrants. No European country will action them if Netanyahu or Gallant were present on their soil and be called antisemitic.

Gallant says “The IDF fights in accordance with the rules of international law, taking unique humanitarian efforts the likes of which have.”
I mean who knows what will have taken place so far if they didn’t follow international law and take had their unique efforts!

Efacsen · 21/05/2024 15:59

This is why Israel banning Al Jazeera is such bad news - the law can be applied to any overseas broadcaster

Can only wonder what they are trying to hide now ??the destruction of Rafah IDK

Israeli officials seize camera and broadcasting equipment belonging to Associated Press near Gaza border

Israeli officials seized a camera and broadcasting equipment belonging to the Associated Press in southern Israel on Tuesday, the Associated Press reports.
“The Associated Press decries in the strongest terms the actions of the Israeli government to shut down our longstanding live feed showing a view into Gaza and the seizure of AP equipment,” said Lauren Easton, vice-president of corporate communications at the news organization.
“The shutdown was not based on the content of the feed but rather an abusive use by the Israeli government of the country’s new foreign broadcaster law. We urge the Israeli authorities to return our equipment and enable us to reinstate our live feed immediately so we can continue to provide this important visual journalism to thousands of media outlets around the world.”

Kindatired · 21/05/2024 16:36

Today I was asked by a colleague of Dr Adnan Al Bursh to highlight his death while in captivity in Israeli detention. He was a fit man who swam long distances in open water and then died in unexplained and suspicious circumstances while in detention
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cer3740ddj3o#
RIP

Dr Adnan Al-Bursh wearing surgical scrubs speaking into a microphone being held in front of him

Israel-Gaza: Palestinian doctor dies in Israeli prison

Israeli authorities said they were investigating the death of orthopaedic surgeon Dr Adnan Al-Bursh.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cer3740ddj3o#

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