This is the reality of what Israel is doing (part 3)

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/15/babies-children-gaza-famine

Continuation of the previous thread.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/conflict-in-the-middle-east/5018751-this-is-the-reality-of-what-israel-is-doing-part-2?page=39&reply=134623626

So much grim news.

Speak the truth about what is happening and face getting suspending in Israel - protest the wrong of someone getting suspended and get called traitors….

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4flRQ0NK1h/?igsh=MWVrcnB3OWo1MTBndQ==

The Professor and her supporters are in the right side of History.

This is horrific. Torture.

There have been concerns raised about the use and denial of medical interventions being used in the torture of Palestinians by Israel for years.

I hope these reports can be investigated and whistleblowers listened to.

Much as I mainly post about my concerns over antisemitism or aggression on the protests in London that definitely doesn’t mean I support the Israeli government any more than I support Hamas. Like you I hope all wrong doing ( too mild a word I know ) is investigated and all the wrong doers punished. No matter what crimes someone has committed in this country they would never be denied basic human rights. Respect for human dignity is important to everyone but often ( not always) especially important to people of religious faith. To disrespect someone’s human dignity ( whether rape, sexual assault or the conditions described here) is a truly abhorrent thing.

Ben Gvir was probably a comedian y in another life: “Voluntary encourage of migration.”

Lets murder them, let’s completely destroy their land, let’s starve them to death - then take over what is remaining, control what is remaining and encourage the remaining people to leave….

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7PXZyOI41w/?igsh=Njl5NDc1aTBoY2Zq

https://inthesetimes.com/article/education-gaza-palestine-students-israel-teachers-refaat-debt-been-decimated-but-the-spirit-of-refaat-alareer-will-prevail

How do you think your post helps?

"On 15 August 1998 a large car bomb exploded on a Saturday afternoon in the centre of Omagh, external County Tyrone. The town's main street was crowded with shoppers and more than 200 people were injured. Twenty-nine of the victims, including a woman pregnant with twins, died as a result of their injuries.
In terms of the final death toll, it was the worst single atrocity after almost 30 years of the Troubles in Northern Ireland."

Describing, in graphic detail, the plight of this poor disemboweled women
( above) wasn't going to help the peace process in Northern Ireland.

Maybe you could reflect on your penchant for posting about bomb injuries?

Describing, in graphic detail, the plight of this poor disemboweled women
( above) wasn't going to help the peace process in Northern Ireland.

Well it did. The Omagh had a massive backlash both north and south, brought people together and was instrumental in garnering support for the peace process

Well it did. The Omagh had a massive backlash both north and south, brought people together and was instrumental in garnering support for the peace process

Are you seriously saying that graphic details about a murdered pregnant woman in the Irish Press helped the Peace Process ??

Really?

In the first place no graphic details were revealed and secondly the issue is still ongoing.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/national/dublin-monaghan-uvf-bombings-reacting-to-miche%C3%A1l-martin-s-opinion-on-full-disclosure-of-files-dup-mla-diane-dodds-says-time-for-words-is-over/ar-BB1mAdlI?ocid=BingNewsSerp

It was back in the late 90s before video phones etc so there wouldn't have been any graphic images but description of what happened was enough. I am not sure why you are even using the Omagh bomb atrocity to make any kind of point here. I was merely pointing out that the incident did have a part to play in the peace process and the poor woman and unborn twins that lost their lives in the bomb made people sit up take notice and vocally demand enough is enough and not in our name.

I remember the Omagh bombs like most people my age- it’s like where were you on 9/11 or for older people “where were you when JFK was shot?“My bestie was working in Omagh and was in town that Saturday shopping, it was hours before we knew she was ok. Her family and partner were out of their minds, even a family member who was in the RUC had no idea if she was ok. There was some sort of security cordon and she had a job getting back.
Everyone knew someone who knew someone. It was terror beyond the scale of the eventual numbers and then, as the hours went on , individual stories and casualty numbers stated to become apparent, a sort of second wave of terror and shock and anger against the perpetrators and empathy with the victims. There were no mobile phones as Dulra has pointed out, just blurry pictures on the tv and newspapers. Paradoxically,the victims could have been our own family members or neighbours when you looked at these blurry photos and heard how the innocent vagaries of ordinary life had brought them into danger.

There already was a groundswell against violence emerging, the Northern Ireland’s Wonens coalition had been formed a couple of years previously and it was the first time that ordinary people from both traditions had come together to demand an end to violence on both sides. After Omagh bombing the momentum seemed to gain pace and even if it was two steps forward and one step backwards we have a whole generation now that have never known sectarian violence

But the violence didn’t just come to an end because of wanting an end to violence, there we’re important structural changes that addressed the grievances that gave traction to terrorists.

I always remember the Spanish student and Spanish teacher killed and felt so ashamed that they had come to Ireland to learn English but were killed by terrorists.

Your friend was so lucky to survive but no doubt traumatised by the horrific event

I think that if people feel able to manage it then it’s important to grasp the graphic reality of what is happening. The more disconnected and distant we are from these horrific crimes the easier it becomes to rationalise them. The minute we rationalise this type of human inflicted suffering we risk losing our moral compass. It’s why to talk about dehumanisation isn’t it?

Palestinian prisoners abused and tortured
https://www.instagram.com/p/C60xQXdN-pq/?igsh=MXF0ZW9lMmVpOGgxbw==

Another peace promoting and 2 state solution focused speech from Ben Gvir
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7RroFBPfH9/?igsh=Y3c4NTRhM25jdmxo

Thank you Ireland, Spain and Norway. Keep up your speeches Dr Zomlot:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7RsaKXoKui/?igsh=ZWMxdGs5dnVpdDhw

The US and UK will block any recognition of Palestine but at least with all the coverage we have we will be able to see which countries are truly for peace and a 2 state solution and which are all for the continuation of the genocide of the Palestinian people.

He's a massive liability have they no way of shutting him up. Who is he to say there'll be no Palestinian state, who made him King! He's also admitting to war crimes when he says humanitarian aid will get through once the hostages are released. Has no one told him humanitarian aid can't be used as a negotiating tool it's a war crime🙄

@DomPom47 "we have we will be able to see which countries are truly for peace and a 2 state solution "

Does a two-state solution really guarantee peace ?

Shame on David Lammy for his nonsense on Mandela wouldn’t support the student protests - like really - what utter gibberish and then abstaining from a vote - the people of Tottenham should vote him out - no moral integrity!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C7Rgs9fKL2b/?igsh=azNzaGttcDdkcTBj

Whilst a two state solution could bring about peace we know that the status quo as it is 100% will not bring about peace.

Just like Hamas disappearing from the stage this fascist Israeli government needs to disappear from the stage with people who truly want both groups to coexist with rights to peace and security.

Are you sure that the Palestinians actually want peace?

In a June 2022 Palestinian Centre for Policy and Survey Research (PSR) poll, 69% of Palestinians opposed a two-state solution, and only 28% supported it.

A Washington Institute poll the same month had similar results, with 66% rejecting a two-state solution and 31% willing to accept one. That survey also found that 46% believed the top Palestinian national priority is to regain all of historic Palestine, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean Sea.

When asked in the PSR poll which problem they see as the top priority for the Palestinian Authority,
26% said unemployment and poverty,
25% said corruption in public institutions,
and only 16% said continuation of the occupation and settlement construction.

Unlike Israelis, who have mobilized hundreds of thousands of people to demonstrate for peace, Palestinians only organize to protest and riot.

They have never had anything analogous to the Israeli Peace Now movement.

Their preference for violence is reflected in the PSR poll, which reported that 55% of the Palestinian public support a return to confrontations and armed intifada, and 59% view armed attacks against Israelis inside Israel as serving the national interest in ending the “occupation.”

When asked about the most effective means of ending the Israeli occupation and building an independent state, 50% chose armed struggle and 22% negotiations.

Is it any wonder that Israelis believe they have no partner for peace?

@Tripeandonions if you take an oppressed, occupied population who have seen every attempt at the establishment of their own state and autonomy as part of a peace process be sabotaged by the occupying power, their own leadership and the international community, and then ask them if they have confidence in peaceful negotiations as a route to end their oppression and occupation, they're unlikely to overwhelmingly think "oh yes, this will definitely work out this time". The world needs to commit to it as a framework: that we can't continue with the region in constant fighting and occupation, that Israel and Palestine both have a right to exist, that they have to respect each other's right to exist, and that internationally agreed peace-keeping forces will be there to make sure that happens.