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Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:29

I know there are lots of pro-Palestine supporters in this area of the board. If not anti-Semitic then what else is it standing for in this context? Apparently it was drawn on some protestors banners.

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IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 15:32

Shocking.
I never thought I'd see the swastika paraded through the streets of London with impunity. I genuinely don't understand why that's allowed.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 15:33

You would probably have to ask the police why they decided it wasn't anti semitic. You haven't even stated what the context it was used in was so I'm not sure how you can expect people like me who are pro Palestinian and don't even know what protests, what banners and what police you are talking about to be able to tell you anything.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 31/03/2024 15:36

Let me see if I can link to it

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TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 15:42

The mets reply is here, it was right under the tweet you linked to. I think that probably answers your questions more than random people on the Internet who happen to disagree with occupation and war crimes can.

Anyone seen the video where the police officer says a swastika is not anti-Semitic at a pro Palestine March?
IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 15:46

Good grief, that video. In what context is a swastika not offensive?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 15:46

You would probably have to ask the police why they decided it wasn't anti semitic. You haven't even stated what the context it was used in

Just out of interest, in what context would a swastika - with all the negative historic implications as a symbol it has - be used? because I'm struggling to think of one that could be justified, given those historic implications.

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TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 15:55

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 15:46

You would probably have to ask the police why they decided it wasn't anti semitic. You haven't even stated what the context it was used in

Just out of interest, in what context would a swastika - with all the negative historic implications as a symbol it has - be used? because I'm struggling to think of one that could be justified, given those historic implications.

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I have no idea. That's why I said you would probably have to ask the police. Expecting pro Palestinian posters to answer for the acts of random people is just goady though. All pro Palestinian people have in common is that they are against the illegal occupation and oppression of Palestinians. That's it. How are they supposed to know about the polices thoughts on a random person's sign?

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 15:59

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 15:55

I have no idea. That's why I said you would probably have to ask the police. Expecting pro Palestinian posters to answer for the acts of random people is just goady though. All pro Palestinian people have in common is that they are against the illegal occupation and oppression of Palestinians. That's it. How are they supposed to know about the polices thoughts on a random person's sign?

You do know what a swastika is, don't you? because I do, and I'd certainly expect the police to, but then again it is the Met. Institutional fucking ignorance is their MO.

I do admire the faux ingenuousness of a comment saying that asking for the context of a swastika, of all things, is 'goady,' though.

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:00

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 15:46

You would probably have to ask the police why they decided it wasn't anti semitic. You haven't even stated what the context it was used in

Just out of interest, in what context would a swastika - with all the negative historic implications as a symbol it has - be used? because I'm struggling to think of one that could be justified, given those historic implications.

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Buddhism. In Buddhism, the swastika is considered to symbolise the auspicious footprints of the Buddha. The left-facing swastika also decorated with dots is often imprinted on the chest, feet or palms of Buddha images. It is a symbol for the Buddha in many parts of Asia and homologous with the dharma wheel. Before the evil Nazi hijack the symbol.

TinkerTiger · 31/03/2024 16:00

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 15:46

You would probably have to ask the police why they decided it wasn't anti semitic. You haven't even stated what the context it was used in

Just out of interest, in what context would a swastika - with all the negative historic implications as a symbol it has - be used? because I'm struggling to think of one that could be justified, given those historic implications.

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As a religious symbol of peace in Hinduism.

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 16:00

Isn't the Buddhist swastika the other way around?

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:00

@TextureSeeker what was expected was that in the context of a pro Palestinian march the police - THE POLICE- would know that a swastika was clearly referencing the nazis and was intended to be antisemitic. I can't see any other possible explanation and for the police to be arguing the toss and saying it's context dependent when the context is right in front of them is a disgrace.
I am not Jewish, by the way.

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:02

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 16:00

Isn't the Buddhist swastika the other way around?

Yes it is. The Hindu usage too.
And also not expected to be seen at a pro-Palestinian march because what would it be signifying?

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:03

I don't think most people view it and note it's pre Nazi sense, do you, @HawaiiWake ?
I think everyone understands what it means nowadays.
Unless the Met police thought it was Hindus and Buddhists parading it?

TinkerTiger · 31/03/2024 16:03

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:02

Yes it is. The Hindu usage too.
And also not expected to be seen at a pro-Palestinian march because what would it be signifying?

Agreed it’s not expected to be seen at a pro-Palestinian march in a religious context, but that wasn’t what the poster asked. They simply asked what other context could it be used in.

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:05

The current level of goady disingenuousness around this stuff is off the fucking scale.
In plain sight. Antisemitism. Do not doubt it.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 16:07

heldinadream · 31/03/2024 16:00

@TextureSeeker what was expected was that in the context of a pro Palestinian march the police - THE POLICE- would know that a swastika was clearly referencing the nazis and was intended to be antisemitic. I can't see any other possible explanation and for the police to be arguing the toss and saying it's context dependent when the context is right in front of them is a disgrace.
I am not Jewish, by the way.

Right. Which is why I suggested the poster ask the police rather than addressing a post on mumsnet to random posters who happen to be pro Palestinian. The chances of us being the policeman in the video are slim to none really.

Auvergne63 · 31/03/2024 16:08

It isn't illegal ( but should be) to buy and sell Nazi memorabilia in the UK. I find this abhorrent, coming from a country where it is actually illegal. Is the UK government anti semitic for allowing this?
I would like to add that the use of the swastika on a placard is highly offensive to me because 12 millions were murdered by the Nazis, Jewish and non Jewish people.

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:11

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 16:07

Right. Which is why I suggested the poster ask the police rather than addressing a post on mumsnet to random posters who happen to be pro Palestinian. The chances of us being the policeman in the video are slim to none really.

I don't think that's the OP's point. I think it was probably to start a discussion on the subject (correct me if I'm wrong, OP)

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:12

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 16:00

Isn't the Buddhist swastika the other way around?

Yes, left facing swastika.

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 16:12

MrsDanversGlidesAgain · 31/03/2024 15:59

You do know what a swastika is, don't you? because I do, and I'd certainly expect the police to, but then again it is the Met. Institutional fucking ignorance is their MO.

I do admire the faux ingenuousness of a comment saying that asking for the context of a swastika, of all things, is 'goady,' though.

It is expecting pro Palestinian posters to answer that is goady as I said in my post. Why was her post addressed to pro Palestinian posters and not just posters in general? Why would we know more about it than anyone else?

TextureSeeker · 31/03/2024 16:14

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:11

I don't think that's the OP's point. I think it was probably to start a discussion on the subject (correct me if I'm wrong, OP)

But why address pro Palestinian posters? Why would she think we have the answers anymore than anyone else?

HawaiiWake · 31/03/2024 16:15

IsoldeWagner · 31/03/2024 16:03

I don't think most people view it and note it's pre Nazi sense, do you, @HawaiiWake ?
I think everyone understands what it means nowadays.
Unless the Met police thought it was Hindus and Buddhists parading it?

Agree but poster ask where can a swastika be seen and not be justified with negative implications. Therefore it was an answer to their question with quote to give context.