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Efacsen · 08/03/2024 14:05

@Parkingt111

''The parachute that was used to airdrop the aid did not open, causing the boxes to fall on people who were gathering in large numbers to collect the aid, the correspondent said.''

Al Jazeera

anotherlevel · 08/03/2024 14:13

@Efacsen @Parkingt111 that's such a tragic accident. 5 is far too many but at least it wasn't more.

Parkingt111 · 08/03/2024 14:33

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 14:05

@Parkingt111

''The parachute that was used to airdrop the aid did not open, causing the boxes to fall on people who were gathering in large numbers to collect the aid, the correspondent said.''

Al Jazeera

I just saw a video of the aid coming down with the unopened parachute. The speed and weight of the aid must have caused the fatalities. I wonder if there will be a greater push after this to open more crossings and allow In more trucks to avoid such a tragedy happening again

Parkingt111 · 08/03/2024 14:33

anotherlevel · 08/03/2024 14:13

@Efacsen @Parkingt111 that's such a tragic accident. 5 is far too many but at least it wasn't more.

From what I read there had been other people who have also sustained injuries

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 14:39

Parkingt111 · 08/03/2024 14:33

I just saw a video of the aid coming down with the unopened parachute. The speed and weight of the aid must have caused the fatalities. I wonder if there will be a greater push after this to open more crossings and allow In more trucks to avoid such a tragedy happening again

IDK all the attention is on the maritime route today plus it's a 'known risk'

Can understand why they don't want to open Erez but there are 6 or 7 crossings in all

inkworks273 · 08/03/2024 15:13

x.com/shaykhsulaiman/status/1766040915028947082?s=46

Tiny little girl, encased in rubble being rescued. How many children like her aren't lucky enough to be rescued? How many children like her lie under that rubble until they eventually starve to death? Israel is a terrorist state.

kirinm · 08/03/2024 17:19

It is absolute insanity that temporary ports are having to be built with countries (funding Israel) providing aid because Israel won't let it in. It's so beyond horrific.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 17:24

There seem to be 2 versions of the aid packages killing people - one involving? more than one parachute not opening -+ Kamal Adwan hosp and the other involving one aid package smashing thro the roof of a house+ Al Shifa hosp

Unless there were 2 different events??

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/gaza-aid-airdrop-kills-civilians-when-parachute-fails-to-open-witness-says

and

Five people reported dead by airdropped aid after parachute failure

Al Jazeera’s Hani Mahmoud, reporting from Rafah, says there are reports of at least five people being crushed to death after being hit by aid packages airdropped to Gaza.
The parachute that was used to airdrop the aid did not open, causing the boxes to fall on people who were gathering in large numbers to collect the aid, the correspondent said.
Two people were killed on the spot while three were severely injured and later died at Kamal Adwan Hospital, according to initial reports.

Gaza aid airdrop kills civilians when parachute fails to open, witness says

Five people killed and 10 wounded when package falls on roof of house near Al-Shati refugee camp

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/08/gaza-aid-airdrop-kills-civilians-when-parachute-fails-to-open-witness-says

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 17:34

This is a newer AJ version

''Five people have been killed and several injured after airdropped parcels fell on a crowd of people waiting to collect aid when parachutes failed to open''

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Littlebowiepeep · 08/03/2024 18:39

Latest from BICOM ;-

In joint operations with Jordan, Egypt, and France, the US has intensified its airdrops of aid into the Gaza Strip, yesterday dropping 28,000 meals, bringing the total dropped this week to 112,896 meals.
The US hopes that by increasing the total tonnage of aid through the new sea route and with air drops, more aid can reach the population, overcoming widespread looting and Hamas obstruction. The US will continue to act in conjunction with Israel to ensure the latter’s security needs are met in the aid delivery process.
Yesterday, the UN began to assess using an Israeli military road bordering the Gaza Strip to deliver aid into the territory. Israel has consistently maintained that it is not responsible for aid bottlenecks, and that the UN has failed to keep pace with Israel’s checking and clearing of aid trucks.

Senior defence officials have said in closed-door meetings that looting aid in the Gaza Strip won’t stop until trucks carrying humanitarian aid entering Gaza are protected by armed officials.
(For more, see Israeli Media Summary below.)
The basic formula for a deal presented during meetings in Paris and Cairo includes different stages:
The first stage would include Hamas freeing about 35 Israelis - women, the elderly, and ill or wounded in exchange for several hundred Palestinian prisoners in Israel. This would be alongside a six-week ceasefire, during which talks would be held about freeing the remaining hostages.

Stage two would include the return of the rest of the hostages in exchange for a full IDF withdrawal from Gaza Strip although Israel has not committed to this.
Gaps remain regarding the number of "heavyweight" prisoners Israel will release. Hamas is demanding the first stage include the release of about 100 prisoners who have murdered Israelis, as well as the nature of the transition to a permanent cease-fire and the end of the war, and the number of Palestinians who will return to northern Gaza. Israel is willing to allow women and children while Hamas want all residents.

Without a deal and a pause in the war, there is a fear of escalation surrounding the Temple Mount during Ramdan. The site has traditionally been a scene of tension which could lead to protests in the West Bank and wider Arab world.

Looking ahead: The Turkish Red Crescent will today send its largest aid package yet to Gaza. 3,000 tonnes of food, medicine and equipment left for the Egyptian port of Al-Arish yesterday and will be transported to Rafah in 200 trucks.

CIA Director William Burns is in the Middle East to try to create a breakthrough on a hostage-release deal. Burns arrived in Qatar yesterday after a secret visit to Cairo.
If a deal for a hostage release and a ceasefire is not reached before Ramadan, the policy challenge over a ground operation in Nuseirat and Deir al-Balah in central Gaza and / or Rafah will increase.

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 19:41

A terrible situation. I think we can all agree that the baby murdering terrorists that are Hamas needed to be eradicated. But the collateral damage and suffering of innocent people is too much.

ConnieCounter · 08/03/2024 20:48

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 19:41

A terrible situation. I think we can all agree that the baby murdering terrorists that are Hamas needed to be eradicated. But the collateral damage and suffering of innocent people is too much.

Yes. Both Hamas and the IDF are baby murdering terrorists and both need to be stopped.

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 21:05

ConnieCounter · 08/03/2024 20:48

Yes. Both Hamas and the IDF are baby murdering terrorists and both need to be stopped.

No..... A distinction must be made. Hamas deliberately murdered and raped. That is not the same as poor innocents being the victims of collateral damage.

Both are dreadful, and it must stop, but there is a clear difference. I'm sure you agree.

EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 21:08

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 21:05

No..... A distinction must be made. Hamas deliberately murdered and raped. That is not the same as poor innocents being the victims of collateral damage.

Both are dreadful, and it must stop, but there is a clear difference. I'm sure you agree.

Edited

Are you saying the driver of the tank that killed a Palestinian this week didn’t deliberately murder them?
and the idf members that have raped and tortured women and kids when they’ve been arrested didn’t do it deliberately?

ConnieCounter · 08/03/2024 21:23

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 21:05

No..... A distinction must be made. Hamas deliberately murdered and raped. That is not the same as poor innocents being the victims of collateral damage.

Both are dreadful, and it must stop, but there is a clear difference. I'm sure you agree.

Edited

I don't agree and I find your repeated use of the term "collateral damage" offensive.

You don't kill over 20,000 women and children by mistake.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 21:33

ConnieCounter · 08/03/2024 21:23

I don't agree and I find your repeated use of the term "collateral damage" offensive.

You don't kill over 20,000 women and children by mistake.

It's essentially a de-humanising way to describe the killing and maiming of over 100k Palestinian people

Scirocco · 08/03/2024 21:49

The people I have loved and lost are not fucking collateral damage.

At least not to me.

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 21:52

EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 21:08

Are you saying the driver of the tank that killed a Palestinian this week didn’t deliberately murder them?
and the idf members that have raped and tortured women and kids when they’ve been arrested didn’t do it deliberately?

No I am not Easter. There have been instances of dreadful brutality committed by IDF soldiers not just recently, but going back years. Sickening behaviour that should be condemed in the strongest possible way.

However, what happened on October 7th was very different. We are not talking about the odd Hamas foot-soldier gone rogue are we. Their whole objective and mission was to cause terror through the deliberate action of mass rape, murder, and kidnap of innocent civilians.

BelleHathor · 08/03/2024 21:57

Scirocco · 08/03/2024 21:49

The people I have loved and lost are not fucking collateral damage.

At least not to me.

💐 and love to all of them, I'm sure that they were wonderful, unique and may their memories live on ❤️. Thank you for standing up for their humanity.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 21:58

Scirocco · 08/03/2024 21:49

The people I have loved and lost are not fucking collateral damage.

At least not to me.

I'm sorry you had to see that shitty nonsense

Take care

SpryAmberSeal · 08/03/2024 22:19

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 21:52

No I am not Easter. There have been instances of dreadful brutality committed by IDF soldiers not just recently, but going back years. Sickening behaviour that should be condemed in the strongest possible way.

However, what happened on October 7th was very different. We are not talking about the odd Hamas foot-soldier gone rogue are we. Their whole objective and mission was to cause terror through the deliberate action of mass rape, murder, and kidnap of innocent civilians.

Can I ask what you think the objective of deliberately starving 2million people whilst denying them healthcare is? Do you not think that that must cause terror, to see your children slowly fading away before your eyes and not be able to do anything. To send your son out to try and get any aid they can not knowing if they will come back alive or if they will be shot by the Israeli army whilst queuing for food. To have to give birth by c section with no anaesthesia, knowing that you might have to watch your baby starve to death because you are too weak with malnutrition to produce breastmilk.

Bearing in mind the Israeli minister for defence said back in October I have ordered a complete siege on the Gaza Strip. There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed which leaves no doubt at all that the starvation and closing of healthcare is a very deliberate, planned act on behalf of Israel.

What Hamas did was deliberate and beyond awful but I'm not sure I see the distinction you do between the awful acts that Hamas commited and the awful acts Israel are committing. I would be interested in what you think Israels objective was when they announced they were going to starve people and then followed through and what makes Palestinians 'collateral damage' rather than the innocent victims of a brutal plan like you view Israelis?

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 22:29

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 21:33

It's essentially a de-humanising way to describe the killing and maiming of over 100k Palestinian people

It is not. The term collateral damage should never be used as an excuse or a justification for wrongful acts that cause death and mass suffering. Any loss of life in this conflict is equally tragic for family and friends of those killed, no matter how.

Efacsen · 08/03/2024 22:40

Rachel757677 · 08/03/2024 22:29

It is not. The term collateral damage should never be used as an excuse or a justification for wrongful acts that cause death and mass suffering. Any loss of life in this conflict is equally tragic for family and friends of those killed, no matter how.

'Collateral damage' is the very epitome of de-humanising language borrowed from the military to clinically and without feeling describe loss of human life

There is no alternative meaning to the expression