Anti-Muslim hate has increased since 7-10

[EasterIssland]

Out of the 901 off-line cases of anti-Muslim hate, there were 535 reports of abusive behaviour, 77 threats, 83 assaults, 79 acts of vandalism, 69 cases of discrimination, 39 acts of hate speech and 19 examples of anti-Muslim literature.

https://news.sky.com/story/335-rise-in-anti-muslim-hate-cases-in-uk-since-hamass-attack-on-7-october-13078030?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Oh of course, anti-Muslim hate has existed for decades. I have been one of the strongest to speak out against it. And, quite rightly, if there was indeed mobs of people attacking Muslim businesses, or holding up signs in the streets and campuses saying "Muslims off Campus" or spouting anti Muslim hatred, then they'd rightly be arrested, expelled, shamed or otherwise stopped without hesitation.

Which is why I am pretty disgusted to see that now this is happening to Jews, people are pretending it's not, or diluting the reality of the situation by pretending it's six of one and half a dozen of the other. It's the ultimate "all lives matter" isn't it? It's shocked me to the core to be honest!

My son is terrified on his campus and completely excluded from many activities by these mobs. The Muslim students are not. Whilst they may have experienced many issues with bigotry, the problem facing the UK, US, Canada, Australia and other places is not currently anti Muslim hatred. It is anti Jew hatred. That is the evidence of your eyes and ears. Open them.

Just because you dont see it doesn't mean it isnt happening

The increase in both anti-muslim and antisemitic attacks has been reported in the media, if you choose to shut your eyes to these reports then that will be why you are missing them

I don't understand the view point that it needs to be one thing or another. Discussing anti-muslim attacks and hate crimes doesnt take anything away from the conversation about antisemitic attacks and hate crimes. There is room for both to be discussed without the discussion of one somehow becoming "gaslighting" of the other

And there are multiple threads specifically discussing Antisemitism, as well as a dedicated board for Jewish posters. This one thread was started with the hope that it could be a space to discuss and raise awareness of the discrimination and hate being experienced by Muslims. Why is that not acceptable? Should we have no space to discuss this?

Lemonyticket, you do realise that Muslims have been attacked and a little boy murdered since October the 7th in the US be a man went around damaging cars with the Palestinian flag in the window in the UK. We’ve had the far right trying to join pro -Israel protests , politicians spouting anti Muslim hatred.

@LemonyTicket what exactly is your issue with the thread? There's many many threads on Anti-Semitism and as far as I can seen only one on Anti-Muslim hatred yet you object?
Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And highlighting Anti-Muslim hatred doesn't equal down playing the rise in Anti-Semitism either.

Obviously, there should absolutely be a discussion around discrimination and hate being experienced by Muslims, but this: And there are multiple threads specifically discussing Antisemitism, as well as a dedicated board for Jewish posters
has appeared several times now, almost as some sort of complaint implying that Jewish posters are receiving preferential treatment and that they should stick to their own board rather than bringing conversations about antisemitism into a mainstream context.

There was a request made for a Jewish MNers board, has anyone made the request for a dedicated board for Muslim MNers? I’m sure it would be well supported.

It's not about implying anyone has received preferential treatment. It just feels a bit unfair that people are not allowed even one thread in which to discuss experiences of Islamophobia/ Anti-Muslim hate without it being dragged off topic.

@RoastSquash given the amount of Anti-Muslim sentiment across these boards, I very much doubt we'll be seeing a dedicated board any time soon, and if we did, it would almost certainly just receive the same amount of abuse and derailment that threads elsewhere get if they touch on Islam at all.

People were not saying antisemitism shouldn't be mentioned they are questioning why the poster felt talking about anti muslim hate was gaslighting jews, which still hasn't been explained.

And there are multiple threads specifically discussing Antisemitism, as well as a dedicated board for Jewish posters
has appeared several times now,
In a thread titled the rise in anti Muslim hate. Absolutely come on and share experiences of hate whoever it is targeted at as a form of solidarity but the poster wasn't doing that they were angry that we were were discussing anti muslim hate instead of antisemitism and even denied anti muslim hate was prevalent at the moment.

That is true, to be fair, it is, and I am sorry for it.

I simply think this kind of thread is putting an "all lives matter" slant on the current situation.

I recall how awful Muslim persecution was after 9/11 and it paled in comparison to what's happening now.

It certainly feels like being gaslit when the streets are covered every single weekend in Jew hatred for months on end

The threads discussing antisemitism are constantly derailed and misappropriated, such is the nature of these things.

If no-one’s even willing to ask, I don’t know how you can predict the request for a dedicated board will be denied. And yes, no doubt there would also be the occasional unpleasant incursion from unwelcome posters, as occurs on all the minority boards on MN.

Do you feel the same way about those that talk about antisemitism or only this one?
do you think anti Muslim hate hasn’t gone up since 7-10?

@Dulra please take the time to read mine and @Scirocco posts properly because you seem to be (wrongly) assuming and referring to a completely different discussion. Or are you replying to @LemonyTicket but have quoted me by mistake?

@RoastSquash just as there is a need for spaces where people can feel safe sharing their experiences of other forms of hatred and prejudice (including Antisemitism), I believe there is a need for a space where people can feel safe sharing their experiences of Anti-Muslim hatred and prejudice. One should not diminish the other.

Someone objected to the existence of this thread, describing it as 'gaslighting' and detracting from (presumably more valid in their eyes) concerns about Antisemitism. I don't see how one, relatively small, thread about a minority group experiencing a dramatic increase in hatred and prejudice directed towards it, should be so unacceptable. Nobody is forced to click on it or read it or contribute to it. And it doesn't seem unreasonable for derailment to be highlighted and for people to ask for it to stop, just as would be the case when derailment happens on other threads.

@Scirocco Yes, I understand and acknowledge all that and I’m not really sure why you’re responding to me as if I’ve disagreed with any of it or need it to be explained to me. No-one has said this thread is unacceptable or shouldn't exist but people with differing views on the subject will join the discussion, as occurs on every single other thread.

If you’d like Muslim MNers to have a dedicated board to use as an additional safe space, you can request it.

You suggested I was complaining about another minority group getting "preferential treatment", which wasn't the case or intention. I was clarifying.

As for a safe space for Muslim posters, we can't even get Islamophobic posts removed. We won't be getting a designated board any time soon.

Well, you certainly seem determined not to ask for one so I guess the injustice of its non-existence will continue.

Not long after 7-10 a Muslim poster requested one to mn via one of these threads. Don’t think mn paid much attention as it wasnt created

How do you actually know that nobody has asked for one or discussed the idea?

See above by @EasterIssland for one example of someone asking about one.

Did someone start a thread for it on Site Stuff? Because as far as I understand it, that’s what needs to happen and MNHQ won’t address such a request made via a random thread.

There's a thread on site stuff about Islamophobia.

Islamophobia on Mumsnet www.mumsnet.com/Talk/site_stuff/5039412-islamophobia-on-mumsnet

Also, I have also requested for there to be a Muslim board.

And it's a blatant lie that Muslim students are happily, freely, enjoying student life:
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/29/us/palestinian-college-students-shot-vermont/index.html

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/jan/23/alleged-chemical-attack-columbia-students-pro-palestine-new-york

Perhaps some people can only see things through the lens of their own experiences and are incapable of empathising.

It's worrying, OP. I can imagine it's a difficult time to be a Muslim. Don't think that's fair or right.

My request is on site stuff if anyone wants to show their support for it. Thank you.