Terrorist leader speaks out

[Peggysoonerthanlater]

Now you have it for the horse's mouth -

Yahya Sinwar: Hamas leader in Gaza didn't expect consequences of 7 October attack to be 'this dangerous', says friend

Updated Wed, 14 February 2024 at 10:02 pm GMT

The top Hamas leader in Gaza, Yahya Sinwar, was one of the main planners of the 7 October attack on Israel but did not expect the consequences to become "this dangerous", a friend has told Sky News.
Esmat Mansour (who has been in prison with Sinwar) said last year's cross-border raid was supposed to be a strategic operation designed to lift the Israeli siege on the territory, release Sinwar's friends from prison, and make him a "leader of the Palestinian people".
But the calculations "didn't go as planned", the reaction of the Israelis was "uncontrolled, without any justification", and "now we have this result", he explained.
"He [Sinwar] didn't expect the operation to make things this complicated and to go as far as it did and become this dangerous. And [it] gave Israel all the reasons and excuses to break all the rules."
Speaking from Ramallah in the West Bank, Mansour said: "I think he was one of the main people behind this operation."
He claimed that if Sinwar knew what the consequences of the assault would be, he "would never have planned an operation this way".
Mansour, who has been in prison with Sinwar, said the Hamas leader had "wanted to make a change".
According to his ex-fellow inmate, Sinwar "tried several times to negotiate with the Palestinian Authority, to make a good relationship with Egypt, and he tried to provoke Israel to lift the siege on Gaza".
"After all these efforts, he didn't succeed. After that, he had to make a strategic change to [do] a huge operation like this. A big part of it was thought up by Sinwar."
Hamas killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, in its raid on Israel last October and took around 250 others hostage.
The attack led to retaliatory Israeli strikes on Gaza that have killed at least 28,576 Palestinians, including mostly women and children, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
The Israeli military claims it has killed or captured 8,000-9,000 Hamas fighters since 7 October.

From Sky News

I guess Hamas shouldn’t have raped, murdered and targeted civilians in one of the worlds top armed countries. I’m not sure what this post is suggesting - that “Hamas didn’t mean it” so Israel’s response is disproportionate?

He knew exactly what would happen.

And if he didn't, then he's poorly educated, not very intelligent, not a military strategist and surrounded by incompetent aids and a rubbish intelligence service.

Even I know you don't fuck with Israel. They fear nobody.

Aww, diddums. Poor Sinwar, he's just so misunderstood. He's a good guy really, he just saw no other option than to send his terrorist friends in to rape, murder, maim and kidnap Israelis before then scurrying off into one of his many tunnels.

Did he at no point think "aha! I know of a way out of this mess I've "inadvertently" made! I'll release the hostages and then maybe there will be peace!"?!

I'm not suggesting that at all.

I'm just illustrating how Hamas is now admitting they scored a humungous own-goal, and what their viewpoint is.

That doesn't mean I agree with it.

If Sinwar had read the Bible he would have seen this verse -

Hosea 8:7: "For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind."

“Hamas didn’t mean it” so Israel’s response is disproportionate?
Israel's response is disproportionate regardless of what Hamas intentions were for their attack

Sinwar has truly been exposed as a shit leader of people. Which is a good thing, if there were anything good to come out of this.

I must have missed the explanation for this, but why won't Arabian peninsula countries take women and children evacuees from Gaza?

Fair enough op agree

He caused all this I like your bible quote, seems apt

https://www.arabnews.com/node/2392691/middle-east

https://www.wionews.com/world/explained-why-arab-nations-dont-want-to-take-in-palestinian-refugees-from-gaza-648913

Perhaps they thought the response would be proportionate ?

If Hamas thought the response would be proportionate then they really don't know Israel very well.

And if you want to win a war, I'd say, "know your enemy."

Which, again, just goes to show what rubbish leaders they are.

What would a proportionate response have looked like?

I wonder if a clever terrorist is an oxymoron

FAFO

I don’t think people get to the stage of committing terrorist attacks without some stunted influences

Please don't say stuff like this. It's incredibly inflammatory and unnecessary.

(I'm a generally pro-Israel poster but I just don't see the need for these kind of comments)

Because Hamas are so embedded it's impossible for other countries to be sure whether they are taking innocent people of Hamas?

So he’s either got godlike powers of predicting the future, or he is an idiot.

I mean I think Israel's response hasn't covered them in glory at all but agree with you absolutely ... what the F did he really expect to happen next? Does he think we'll be like "Awww bless, he only wanted x to happen so let's not judge too harshly?".

Perhaps they thought the response would be proportionate ?

// I'm not sure what a proportionate response looks like? I mean, like for like it's still going to be pretty bloody brutal. Also not sure war mongering terrorist organisations think in those terms

This

No one could have predicted the extremist, criminal response of Israel. I thought it was ridiculous all the posters saying that Hamas knew exactly what Israel would do.

I think you'll find everyone could predict it. I remember seeing interviews with civilians in Gaza say things along the lines of "why would Hamas do this?? They're going to get us all killed". That was before Israel had responded. Everyone knew the response would be big. They might not have known the details but they knew it wouldn't end well for anyone.

I also recall Israel saying they did not think Hamas would commit such barbarism as they knew what would come next if they did