This is the reality of what Israeli is doing.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

Well the penalties are very clear about murdering, raping and other very serious crimes in the UK and yet, these happen daily. Your argument that prison time should deter anyone is therefore flawed. If it worked, there would be no crime.

I do wonder what you think is going to happen when they 'remove Hamas'? @stomachameleon you can flip your point on it's head: 'If the penalties are clear (which I assume they are) why carry on doing it? Why take the risk that your outcome will be any different?'

Do you think that the 2 million people who have at best seen their homes collapse and been displaced or at worst, have gathered the body parts of their friends and families into a carrier bag and buried their babies are going to think 'Well, October 7th brought this on our heads, we must now admit that our ideology, religiosity, value and belief system, way of life, and ties to place just don't work. Israel has finally taught us the error of our ways, they had a right to defend themselves and they have a right to a sovereign state'?

Israel's current military and settler behaviours will do to Palestinian civilians EXACTLY what Hamas military action on October 7th did to Israeli civilians. Your point about outcomes and why carry on doing it can be applied to Israel's strategy: 'If the penalties are clear (continued terrorist incursions into Israel) why carry on doing it? Why take that risk that your outcome will be any different?

BackandForthRoundandRound-You're welcome. It's just willful ignorance at this point.

We are talking about children here throwing stones here.

Not sixteen year olds dropping slabs from a bridge.

I had quoted another poster ~ which was in the post.

Why are you now trying to attempt to claim that?

I think most of us here have viewed footage of young children throwing stones at Israeli forces.

Also why throw in the "stabbing"

If it were older children throwing things, then the media would most certainly have stated that as they have always happily portrayed the situation in a certain way.

We are well aware of what has been going on so your attempts don't work.

Pretty much seems to be the case.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3Sn2IUuPGe/?igsh=MXNidHkzNHh3M3p3OA== This is very concerning. Apparently a captive has been sent to Nasser Hospital to tell everyone to evacuate despite the ongoing targeting!

And then the IOF killed him.

Hamas can end the war any time they like.
Just release the hostages and lay down their arms.

There has been a radicalisation of a significant number of British citizens since Oct 7 who have absorbed poisonous, misleading and incendiary social media content and are acting it out in the real world.

There must be zero tolerance for racism against Jews in this country. Unless this is widely enforced, I fear for where this story will end.

Except Israel will keep bombing Gaza.

Have you reported the racist posts?

Criticism of the Israeli government and the IDF is not antisemitic anymore than criticism of Russia and it's army are Russophobic.

There is suffering in Gaza because Hamas’ psychopathic leaders launched a war and are deliberately fighting it from inside and under civilian buildings.
If you blame Israel for that, you are falling into Hamas' trap.

You can go on defending the Israeli government and the IDF until the cows come home but thankfully the world is watching and documenting all the war crimes and building a case for genocide. As a Minster in Ireland summed it up perfectly yesterday "Israel is behaving like monsters to defeat a monster". I don't support either monster.

Except, as has already been discussed, this would neither end the destruction of Gaza, nor end the underlying issues which perpetuate instability in the region.

And you can keep on defending Hamas etc etc etc

It's almost as though "release hostages and lay down arms and everything will be fine" doesn't stand up to even the most basic scrutiny.

@ConnieCounter is it not worth a try though?

If you think Hamas are psychopaths you should check out what the Netanyahu government is doing.

No elections in Gaza since 2007. Five elections in Israel since 2019 and the current administration includes one self confessed fascist and another convicted of inciting terrorism. One of them has recently been supplying weapons to the settlers in the West Bank.

It's only a Hamas trap if Hamas are controlling the Israeli government, otherwise we're judging that government on it's words and deeds.

Hamas are responsible for the atrocities they have committed and the Israeli government and IDF are responsible for theirs.

Absolutely. Hopefully Israel will change their position and agree to a ceasefire soon. This can't go on.