This is the reality of what Israeli is doing.

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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/feb/10/im-so-scared-please-come-hind-rajab-six-found-dead-in-gaza-12-days-after-cry-for-help

I just don't understand how some of the Israeli supporters can justify what they justify. You should hang your heads in shame.

At least 14 Israelis have been killed by Palestinian stone throwing, including three Arabs mistaken for Jews.

• Ester Ohana was the first Israeli killed by Palestinian stone-throwing. She was killed on 29 January 1983 when a stone was thrown through the window of the car in which she was a passenger, hitting her in the head.
• On 5 June 2001, Yehuda Shoham, a 5-month-old baby, was killed when a rock hurled by stone-throwing Palestinians crashed through the window of the car he was riding in, crushing his skull.[180]
• On 23 September 2011, Asher (25) and Yonatan Palmer (1) were killed when the car Asher was driving was attacked by stone-throwing Palestinians, causing it to crash killing him along with his infant son.
• On 14 March 2013,[182] the Biton's family car was attacked, near neighbouring village of Kif el-Hares, with stones which caused it to get out of control and collide with a truck. Adele Biton was critically injured along with her mother and 3 sisters who were moderately injured, and died two years later.[183]
• On 13 September 2015 Alexander Levlovich was killed by thrown rocks that caused his car to swerve out of control in a Jerusalem neighbourhood.

(From Wikipedia)

The Israeli penal code treats stone throwing as a felony with a maximum penalty of up to 20 years, depending on the circumstances and intentions: a maximum of 10 years for stoning cars, regardless of intent to endanger passengers, and 20 years for throwing stones at people, without proof of intent to cause bodily harm. In addition a temporary measure for 3 years was enacted in November 2015 mandating minimum sentences and creating a legal equivalence between rocks and other weapons

"You went down the path of attempting to compare stones to hand grenades"

in Israeli law they are treated the same see above

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3PG5yZrYIx/?igsh=MTM5YXo3aXpuNDI2ZA== Rafah

I think they probably would in public but the internet, as always, is the Internet where some say what they would never to others

No I don't, as your post was ambiguous.

20 years for throwing stones

Yes, very reasonable indeed.

And again, you have attempted to compare Israeli lives and Palestinian lives.

More Palestinian people have been murdered by Israeli forces than people suddenly dying from being hit with a stone.

Also it proves that there are a lot of Palestinian prisoners who are there for throwing stones.

Yet, some on here claimed that prisoners with large sentences must have been due to terrorist acts. (Allegations of stabbings etc)

It has been stated many times that there are prisoners with ridiculously long sentences due to throwing stones. Yet it has been met by denial by some.

"And again, you have attempted to compare Israeli lives and Palestinian lives."

No, you've got that wrong.

'Again' ?

So where have I done it before ??

20 years is an insane length of time for throwing a stone.

Still, it doesn't say where it's legal to shoot a child for throwing one?

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@BackandForthRoundandRound "20 years for throwing stones

Yes, very reasonable indeed."

Why is this a problem to you and why do you keep raising it here?

No-one here has any influence on the Israeli Judicial System.

Clearly throwing stones at moving vehicles is highly dangerous behaviour and would be severely punished in UK or any country - tho' YOI rather than extra-judicial killing

However throwing stones at IDF tanks or heavily armed soldiers is in a different category altogether

CBA to read that huge long Wikipedia article again but IIRC one soldier has been killed in over 25 years - one too many but totally different scale of risk

This came about due to mentioning of throwing stones at the Israeli Occupation Forces. As in at soldiers.

The poster then tried to justify the killing of children throwing stones by attempting to claim it could be a handgrenade and they wouldn't know. This is despite the Israeli forces being able to see that is stones with their eyes (as there is a noticeable difference between the two) and also being able to tell by the weapons that they use also.

Far too many children have been murdered by Israeli Occupation due to throwing stones. This is deliberate.

Really? I had no idea whatsoever.

@Blackkittypoo

It didn't say that I thought it was 'reasonable'. I said what the law says.

So do you personally think it's reasonable?

@Blackkittypoo

“If it's judged to be 'self defence', it's not murder.”

Self-defence? A highly-trained soldier in protective gear shooting a child throwing a stone? Have I really just read that?

If the penalties are clear (which I assume they are) why carry on doing it?
Why take the risk that your outcome will be any different?

@Blackkittypoo

Do you think that it's reasonable for a child to be sentenced to up to 20 years (in practice usually less than that for children, to be clear) in prison for stone throwing?

I know you've quoted what the law says, but I'm interested to know if you personally agree with that sentencing guideline?

I can't comment on situations without knowing all the facts.

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If the penalties are clear (which I assume they are) why carry on doing it?
Why take the risk that your outcome will be any different?”

Perhaps because peoples’ lives have become so desolate after years of mistreatment they feel they have nothing to lose and it’s the only thing they have left to express their desperation?

And even when the children are running away

And even when there's CCTV footage of the event and no stones thrown

So sad that posters will defend this

Why are you so bothered by what I personally think?

@Blackkittypoo

I can't comment on situations without knowing all the facts.

But you are commenting on situations without knowing all the facts.

I'm asking for your thoughts on a hypothetical situation.

An IDF soldier sees a child throwing a stone at them. They know, in this case, it's a stone and not a hand grenade. Do you agree it is absolutely wrong for them, in this instance, to shoot that child?

If they arrest that child for the stone throwing, do you believe that they should face a potential prison sentence of up to 20 years?

You're perfectly capable of commenting on hypothetical situations. It's part of any reasonable discussion involving critical thinking. It's how people explore and communicate ideas and principles.

Why are you so bothered by what I personally think?

Because I'm trying to gauge whether your views are entrenched to the point there is no discussion to be had or whether you can see wrongdoing on both 'sides' in which case there is some hope for constructive discussion on threads like this.

How big a 'stone' does it have to be to cause serious injury?

A pebble, a rock, a cobblestone, a cider-block, a paving-slab?

I have given examples from Wiki of children being killed by stones thrown. Are you OK with that?

Why do you even feel the need to actually ask such a thing?

That is rather shocking particularly when someone is well aware of the facts surrounding their reality.

These children will have been through absolutely horrific events ~ things that would have left plenty of us with serious long term issues as a result (talking about PTSD etc)

I think throwing stones at soldiers whom they have seen shooting their friends, their families, anyone they know and so on is somewhat understandable especially as they feel that they do not have a voice at all.

They are in what is essentially an open-air prison.