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Livinginanotherworld · 12/02/2024 13:56

Another journalist killed by Israel last night, with her unborn child as well. Horrific.

Journalist Ala'a Al Hams succumbed to her injuries sustained in Israeli airstrikes on Rafah last night. She had previously endured a spinal fracture from an Israeli strike last month, which also claimed the lives of 11 members of her family.

Tragically, both Ala'a and her unborn child were killed last night, along with the remaining members of her family.

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 14:08

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 13:28

And it's an equally fair conclusion that Hind was killed because Hamas were in the area firing at the tank that was next to the car Hind was in. Will you accept that as well then? Or do you think that maybe some evidence for my claim should be required?

How do you suggest I get evidence proving the reasons Israel won't allow journalists into Gaza? How ridiculous.

If you want to continue with your theory that Hamas may have killed Hind then that's fine. I don't care, but none of the evidence supports it. You can continue to argue that there is no evidence, but I don't agree.

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 14:09

BackandForthRoundandRound · 12/02/2024 13:54

I see that you don't understand the basics ~ that after a strike figures always tend to rise due to people dying from their injuries and also due to more deceased people being found.

I'd already looked up that picture before I replied. The only place I found it was from the social media account of someone who is very much a Hamas propagandaist, having previously posted eg a short video of two dying soldiers being brutally dragged around and saying something along the lines of "isn't this the most beautiful sight of 2023?".

Sorry, that was meant to be quoting your other post

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 14:11

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 14:08

How do you suggest I get evidence proving the reasons Israel won't allow journalists into Gaza? How ridiculous.

If you want to continue with your theory that Hamas may have killed Hind then that's fine. I don't care, but none of the evidence supports it. You can continue to argue that there is no evidence, but I don't agree.

I merely suggest you give up making up your own narratives based solely on your obvious bias. That's all. Stick to facts instead of fiction going forward.

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 14:20

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 14:11

I merely suggest you give up making up your own narratives based solely on your obvious bias. That's all. Stick to facts instead of fiction going forward.

Saying that Israel banned journalists because they don't want reporters to see what's happening in Gaza isn't fiction. It's a logical conclusion.

FOJN · 12/02/2024 14:25

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 09:52

@Dulra

So the IDF have the intelligence (as in information) and ability to target a specific address to rescue hostages; killing or injuring only those involved in the hostages detention. That's amazing.

I wonder why Gaza is being razed, 25000 killed, tens of thousands injured and the civilian population starved?

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 14:31

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 14:20

Saying that Israel banned journalists because they don't want reporters to see what's happening in Gaza isn't fiction. It's a logical conclusion.

This seems to be actual reason given to reporters. Maybe focus more on that? There's also a whole vox article about it all stating the same reasons.

I assume you'll continue spreading your baseless assumptions though as they suit you better? Feel free to prove me wrong though 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

This is the reality of what Israeli is doing.
stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 14:32

@FOJN you do realise more than one thing can be true?

FOJN · 12/02/2024 14:36

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 14:32

@FOJN you do realise more than one thing can be true?

Of course.

What's the other "true thing" which justifies the death, destruction and suffering inflicted on the civilian population of Gaza when the IDF have proved they can carry out targeted operations?

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 14:50

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 14:31

This seems to be actual reason given to reporters. Maybe focus more on that? There's also a whole vox article about it all stating the same reasons.

I assume you'll continue spreading your baseless assumptions though as they suit you better? Feel free to prove me wrong though 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

That seems to say that they can't risk sending journalists there because Israel is bombing media centres and journalists. It could also be taken as a veiled threat - don't send journalists here because we may bomb them. I don't see how that helps your argument.

stomachameleon · 12/02/2024 14:54

I doubt they would have waited 126 days if targeted approach was able to happen from the get go.

If Hamas continue to manipulate, hide and use civilians in spite of being instructed to hand back over the hostages what choice does Israel have?

Because if they do nothing then Netanyahu doesn't care?
And if they try and get them then they are causing causalities.

For whatever reason some people will be going along with hiding and preventing hostages from being released. It is them that put their own people under risk of being killed. No country would just stand back and do nothing. We still have no confirmation (verified) that kfir Bibas is dead? Or the rest of his family? Noa who was raped and pulled by her hair into Gaza? Hersch with his arm blown off.

Of course targeted response is better but if there is no where else than rafah holds the key to the hostages and they have a duty to return them.

Justpontificating · 12/02/2024 14:58

ThatUsernameIsTaken · 12/02/2024 00:24

Truly shocking
Israelis saying

They can starve to death.
Saying we don’t care about their elderly, we don’t care about their children
Saying we will take the land then we have won

No wonder they are murdering civilians. They don’t care, they are arrogant and will continue to do whatever they want,

How can anyone support this.

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 15:01

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 14:50

That seems to say that they can't risk sending journalists there because Israel is bombing media centres and journalists. It could also be taken as a veiled threat - don't send journalists here because we may bomb them. I don't see how that helps your argument.

That veiled threat is only there to those who want it to be there because they hate Israel more than they hate anyone or anything else. They see evil even when there isn't any. Maybe try hating a bit less. You can support Palestine and Palestinians without hating Israel and Israelis.

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 15:02

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 15:01

That veiled threat is only there to those who want it to be there because they hate Israel more than they hate anyone or anything else. They see evil even when there isn't any. Maybe try hating a bit less. You can support Palestine and Palestinians without hating Israel and Israelis.

OK, let's say it wasn't a threat. He says that the reason journalists might not want to go to Gaza (not that they can), is because Israel is bombing media centres.

Livinginanotherworld · 12/02/2024 15:03

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User135644 · 12/02/2024 15:10

Lampzade · 12/02/2024 11:18

This
I can barely watch the news and have avoided these threads because frankly they are depressing.
However, there is little doubt that ethnic cleansing is occurring.
I just fear that both Israeli and Palestinian people are going to suffer as a result of the Israeli government’s desire to wipe out an entire population
The ‘silence’ of the West is indeed deafening ..
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Hamas must have known what was going to happen after what they did in October. They played right into their hands. Totally senseless.

Silence1 · 12/02/2024 15:15

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 14:31

This seems to be actual reason given to reporters. Maybe focus more on that? There's also a whole vox article about it all stating the same reasons.

I assume you'll continue spreading your baseless assumptions though as they suit you better? Feel free to prove me wrong though 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻

Exactly right @Humdingerydoo Didn't think you would share an article showing the truth of the absolute cowboys running Israel. Here they are bombing AP and other media offices in 2021 .
Interesting to read it now, Biden trotting out his usual ineffectual crap
"President Joe Biden spoke to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the spiraling violence.
“He raised concerns about the safety and security of journalists and reinforced the need to ensure their protection,” the White House said."

2021 Pruitt described the news agency as “shocked and horrified that the Israeli military would target and destroy the building housing AP’s bureau and other news organizations in Gaza.” He warned: “The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today.”
“This is an incredibly disturbing development. We narrowly avoided a terrible loss of life,” he said, adding that the AP was seeking information from the Israeli government and was in touch with the U.S. State Department.
'Shocking and horrifying': Israel destroys AP office in Gaza | AP News

The building housing the offices of The Associated Press and other media in Gaza City collapses after it was hit by an Israeli airstrike Saturday, May 15, 2021. The attack came roughly an hour after the Israeli military warned people to evacuate the bu...

'Shocking and horrifying': Israel destroys AP office in Gaza

An Israeli airstrike has destroyed a high-rise building that was home to The Associated Press’ offices in the Gaza Strip.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-middle-east-business-israel-palestinian-conflict-fe452147166f55ba5a9d32e6ba8b53d7

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 15:47

Silence1 · 12/02/2024 15:15

Exactly right @Humdingerydoo Didn't think you would share an article showing the truth of the absolute cowboys running Israel. Here they are bombing AP and other media offices in 2021 .
Interesting to read it now, Biden trotting out his usual ineffectual crap
"President Joe Biden spoke to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu about the spiraling violence.
“He raised concerns about the safety and security of journalists and reinforced the need to ensure their protection,” the White House said."

2021 Pruitt described the news agency as “shocked and horrified that the Israeli military would target and destroy the building housing AP’s bureau and other news organizations in Gaza.” He warned: “The world will know less about what is happening in Gaza because of what happened today.”
“This is an incredibly disturbing development. We narrowly avoided a terrible loss of life,” he said, adding that the AP was seeking information from the Israeli government and was in touch with the U.S. State Department.
'Shocking and horrifying': Israel destroys AP office in Gaza | AP News

Why would you think I wouldn't share the truth?! My whole point is I want the truth to be shared, not all these baseless accusations flying around.

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-editor-suggests-hamas-in-gaza-city-building-2021-5

A former Associated Press editor suggested that Hamas did have offices in the agency's Gaza City building, which Israel destroyed over the weekend

Matti Friedman is contradicting his former employer's claims that it had "no indication Hamas was in the building."

https://www.businessinsider.com/former-associated-press-editor-suggests-hamas-in-gaza-city-building-2021-5

inkworks273 · 12/02/2024 16:51

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-new-evidence-of-unlawful-israeli-attacks-in-gaza-causing-mass-civilian-casualties-amid-real-risk-of-genocide/

New evidence of unlawful Israeli attacks in Gaza causing mass civilian casualties amid real risk of genocide
•At least 95 civilians – nearly half of them children – killed in four unlawful strikes in Rafah
•Attacks took place in southern governorate supposed to be “safe”
•All four strikes are likely direct attacks on civilians and civilian objects and must be investigated as war crimes

New evidence of unlawful Israeli attacks in Rafah causing mass civilian casualties

Israeli forces continue to flout international humanitarian law, obliterating entire families with total impunity.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2024/02/israel-opt-new-evidence-of-unlawful-israeli-attacks-in-gaza-causing-mass-civilian-casualties-amid-real-risk-of-genocide/

PeasfullPerson · 12/02/2024 17:14

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 15:01

That veiled threat is only there to those who want it to be there because they hate Israel more than they hate anyone or anything else. They see evil even when there isn't any. Maybe try hating a bit less. You can support Palestine and Palestinians without hating Israel and Israelis.

Of course, if people come to that conclusion it’s because they hate Israel and see evil when there isn’t any. That must be the only logical and factual conclusion.

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 17:40

PeasfullPerson · 12/02/2024 17:14

Of course, if people come to that conclusion it’s because they hate Israel and see evil when there isn’t any. That must be the only logical and factual conclusion.

Is this you trying to replicate what you accused me of the other day when you said I was very unpleasant and part of some sort of bullying mob? Or do you think this level of sarcasm is a perfectly pleasant way to respond to people?

PeasfullPerson · 12/02/2024 17:49

@Humdingerydoo I apologise for the way I wrote that, it wasn’t particularly kind or constructive. Although I at least didn’t stoop to calling you names.

I will rephrase below.

Do you truly believe that the only reason people could reach that conclusion is because they hate Israel and see evil when there isn’t any? And if so, then why is that?

Humdingerydoo · 12/02/2024 17:59

PeasfullPerson · 12/02/2024 17:49

@Humdingerydoo I apologise for the way I wrote that, it wasn’t particularly kind or constructive. Although I at least didn’t stoop to calling you names.

I will rephrase below.

Do you truly believe that the only reason people could reach that conclusion is because they hate Israel and see evil when there isn’t any? And if so, then why is that?

In the example given above, yes I believe that those who interpret it as some sort of threat do so because they don't think Israel can ever do anything right or acceptable. There was no threat there, veiled or otherwise. They were just saying they won't be able to keep them safe as they'll be in an active war zone where terrorists are known to hide behind civilians both figuratively and literally, so everywhere is at risk of becoming legitimate military targets.

Snowypeak · 12/02/2024 18:16

The journalists are adults, used to being in war zones. I imagine they are qualified to make their own decisions on risk and don’t expect others to decide for them.

Auvergne63 · 12/02/2024 18:20

ConnieCounter · 12/02/2024 14:20

Saying that Israel banned journalists because they don't want reporters to see what's happening in Gaza isn't fiction. It's a logical conclusion.

I have provided links to articles, regarding the ban of the international press in Gaza to this poster. As the saying goes, you can take a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
Freedom of the press is a cornerstone of a democracy. Suppress it and it becomes a dictatorship, as seen in China, North Korea and other countries.
I have come to the only logical conclusion that the Israeli government does not want to know what is going on in Gaza.

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