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inkworks273 · 12/03/2024 19:51

@Silence1 If only more celebrities were as brave as her.

Scirocco · 13/03/2024 07:44

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/12/palestinian-citizen-of-israel-granted-asylum-in-uk-in-case-said-to-be-unprecedented

This is unprecedented. The UK has granted asylum to a Palestinian citizen of Israel.

This means that it has been accepted, by the UK, that he cannot live safely, anywhere in Israel, due to a realistic fear of persecution.

This means that the UK has granted asylum to a citizen of one of the country's frequently claimed international allies and friends, due to concerns that the country isn't safe for him.

Palestinian citizen of Israel granted UK asylum in case said to be unprecedented

‘Hasan’, 24, argued he would face persecution in Israel on grounds of his race, faith and its ‘apartheid regime’

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/12/palestinian-citizen-of-israel-granted-asylum-in-uk-in-case-said-to-be-unprecedented

Auvergne63 · 13/03/2024 07:53

Scirocco · 13/03/2024 07:44

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/mar/12/palestinian-citizen-of-israel-granted-asylum-in-uk-in-case-said-to-be-unprecedented

This is unprecedented. The UK has granted asylum to a Palestinian citizen of Israel.

This means that it has been accepted, by the UK, that he cannot live safely, anywhere in Israel, due to a realistic fear of persecution.

This means that the UK has granted asylum to a citizen of one of the country's frequently claimed international allies and friends, due to concerns that the country isn't safe for him.

I listened to his lawyer speaking on radio 4. The reason he cited, for the decision made by the executive to grant him asylum, was because Israel is an apartheid state.
I, for one, feels the tide is turning on the Israeli government.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 13/03/2024 16:48

Auvergne63 · 13/03/2024 07:53

I listened to his lawyer speaking on radio 4. The reason he cited, for the decision made by the executive to grant him asylum, was because Israel is an apartheid state.
I, for one, feels the tide is turning on the Israeli government.

To take a somewhat more cynical view:

In my personal opinion ...

a) the Home Office did absolutely NOT want these particular questions ("is Israel an Apartheid state?". Also: "even if not, do its policies, specifically, have implications for whether or not Palestinians with Israeli citizenship - especially but potentially not only if they voice political opinions - would qualify as a persecuted group with general grounds to claim asylum?") go to a court of law.
b) because, if the answer were to be "yes, and yes" - or even just "no, but yes", this would set a legal precedent.
c) that would then put the government in an embarrassing position.
d) never even mind its potential to trigger multiple more (now legitimised by precedent) claims on the basis of comparable situations (and we all know how much the government loves asylum claims ... NOT)!
e) if d) then - what would that mean for Palestinians in East Jerusalem, the West Bank, and Gaza if not "at the very least the same"?

I see the Home Office caving in here as more of a "let's put the lid back on before this spirals out of control" than an acknowledgement of anything. In fact, I think its their exact objective to avoid the same.

And, no, I'm not a legal or asylum policy expert - I do trade in cost/benefit analyses as a day job.

Auvergne63 · 13/03/2024 17:15

I was only quoting the lawyer. He did say it was a huge precedent though. At least, that man is safe.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 13/03/2024 17:18

Auvergne63 · 13/03/2024 17:15

I was only quoting the lawyer. He did say it was a huge precedent though. At least, that man is safe.

Fully aware, never said otherwise.

I just think that may have been a bit of "posturing" by the lawyer.

Auvergne63 · 13/03/2024 17:21

HeidiInTheBigCity · 13/03/2024 17:18

Fully aware, never said otherwise.

I just think that may have been a bit of "posturing" by the lawyer.

I wish I could find the interview so then you could make an informed decision on his "posturing" or not.

Finallyloggedin · 13/03/2024 19:09

https://x.com/franceskalbs/status/1767852147696074991?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

Infographic from Francesca Albanese, illustrating how, in her words: “In 5 months Israel has killed more children in a strip of land the size of Philadelphia than all conflicts worldwide did in the past 4 years combined. Destroying a population from its roots.”

https://x.com/franceskalbs/status/1767852147696074991?s=61&t=nilGqPeurpC5xVqZAZdZog

EasterIssland · 19/03/2024 13:37

Another victim that probably was accused of being Hamas to kidnap and kill them

Please do all you can to object to the genocide of Palestinians (Thread 2)
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Scirocco · 19/03/2024 18:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68605401

100% of people in Gaza are facing hunger, starvation and are in need of help now. There is no time to 'wait and hope' any more.

Please, this Ramadhan, do what you can to help. Whether that's donating, volunteering, spreading awareness, praying...

The entirety of the population of Gaza is in danger of starving to death (if they live long enough to do so). Starving people to death does not create peace. It just creates more pain and anger in the world.

The people trapped in Gaza are not monsters. They are not evil. They are not Hamas. They are people, just like those of us who unlike them are fortunate enough to have a roof over our heads and food on our plates. The actions of the Israeli government/IDF and Hamas are killing them. Please do what you can to help.

Displaced Palestinians gather to collect food in Rafah, in the southern Gaza Strip (14 March 2024)

Gaza's entire population facing acute food insecurity, Blinken warns

Secretary of State Antony Blinken says it is the first time this has happened and calls for more aid.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68605401

Auvergne63 · 19/03/2024 18:33

Scirocco · 19/03/2024 18:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68605401

100% of people in Gaza are facing hunger, starvation and are in need of help now. There is no time to 'wait and hope' any more.

Please, this Ramadhan, do what you can to help. Whether that's donating, volunteering, spreading awareness, praying...

The entirety of the population of Gaza is in danger of starving to death (if they live long enough to do so). Starving people to death does not create peace. It just creates more pain and anger in the world.

The people trapped in Gaza are not monsters. They are not evil. They are not Hamas. They are people, just like those of us who unlike them are fortunate enough to have a roof over our heads and food on our plates. The actions of the Israeli government/IDF and Hamas are killing them. Please do what you can to help.

Where can I donate, please? I feel so powerless watching this man made horror happening in front of our eyes.

anotherlevel · 19/03/2024 18:45

@Auvergne63 MATW Project are good as is orphans in need. Penny Appeal are under investigation so I wouldn't go with them.

Auvergne63 · 19/03/2024 18:54

anotherlevel · 19/03/2024 18:45

@Auvergne63 MATW Project are good as is orphans in need. Penny Appeal are under investigation so I wouldn't go with them.

Thank you. I am donating now. I wish I could do more though.

Scirocco · 19/03/2024 19:05

JazakAllah khair. There are many aid agencies and charities. Islamic Relief has an appeal ongoing, and the Red Cross/Red Crescent do too. If I remember correctly, there was a thread on here previously which had a list of charities.

Every penny donated, every sharing of information, every prayer or good wish made, is one more than was there before we did it, and that's how progress is made, lots of little things add up.

Parkingt111 · 19/03/2024 21:07

Just seen that Canada is stopping arms export to Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/19/canada-halt-arms-sales-to-israel

EasterIssland · 19/03/2024 21:26

Parkingt111 · 19/03/2024 21:07

Just seen that Canada is stopping arms export to Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/19/canada-halt-arms-sales-to-israel

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That’s really good! Glad to hear they’re doing it as they’ve been quite supportive of the Israel government with many things

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PeasfullPerson · 19/03/2024 21:31

That was very well said, very moving @Scirocco

As you stated, lots of little things add up.

And if all these things can’t stop this tragedy from unfolding even more, it doesn’t mean that they count for nothing, or that things will always be this way.

Change will come too late for some people, but it won’t be too late for everyone, and every positive action helps.

Tripper79 · 19/03/2024 21:59

The people trapped in Gaza are not monsters. They are not evil. They are not Hamas. They are people, just like those of us who unlike them are fortunate enough to have a roof over our heads and food on our plates. The actions of the Israeli government/IDF and Hamas are killing them. Please do what you can to help.

Well said @Scirocco this manmade famine and mass starvation has been appalling to witness. The collective punishment of innocent people including children and babies is beyond belief. I saw a UNICEF video (James_Unicef on Instagram has just gone back into Gaza) and there are hundreds of trucks queued at the border with desperately needed aid which isn’t being allowed in.

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 19/03/2024 22:48

Parkingt111 · 19/03/2024 21:07

Just seen that Canada is stopping arms export to Israel.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/19/canada-halt-arms-sales-to-israel

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That's great news! 😀 Hopefully America will do the same.

anotherlevel · 20/03/2024 07:18

Scirocco · 19/03/2024 18:17

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68605401

100% of people in Gaza are facing hunger, starvation and are in need of help now. There is no time to 'wait and hope' any more.

Please, this Ramadhan, do what you can to help. Whether that's donating, volunteering, spreading awareness, praying...

The entirety of the population of Gaza is in danger of starving to death (if they live long enough to do so). Starving people to death does not create peace. It just creates more pain and anger in the world.

The people trapped in Gaza are not monsters. They are not evil. They are not Hamas. They are people, just like those of us who unlike them are fortunate enough to have a roof over our heads and food on our plates. The actions of the Israeli government/IDF and Hamas are killing them. Please do what you can to help.

This.

Auvergne63 · 20/03/2024 14:56

Finallyloggedin · 20/03/2024 14:14

Wow! Just wow.

Scirocco · 20/03/2024 20:18

That deserves its own thread, @Finallyloggedin !

HeidiInTheBigCity · 20/03/2024 20:25

Scirocco · 20/03/2024 20:18

That deserves its own thread, @Finallyloggedin !

Seconded (I've seen the whole thing)!