Double standards (Ukraine flag, Israel flag and Palestine flag)

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Has anyone noticed the double standards regarding these flags. The first two are seen as solidarity and approved. But anyone with a Palestine flag is seen as a Hamas supporter and making life uncomfortable for Jews. People have been removing Palestinian flags because it makes them feel uncomfortable but if you did the same with Israel flags you would be called anti semitic.

I have seen people say anyone who have Palestinian flags should be deported because they are terrorists which is very racist.

The media seem to always show Palestinian supporters as thugs and evil people.

I have seen some things happen in the world which the media in UK rarely showed or gave a lot of airtime. Some people who claim to be Pro Palestinian and do racist things at protests are given so much air time e.g. you will hear about it forever "these are hate marches Pro Palestinians are all racists" etc..

But they rarely talk about Palestinians getting targeted:

Landlord accused of killing 6-year-old Palestinian American boy pleads not guilty to murder and hate crime charges | CNN The young boy stabbed to death 26 times by his landlord and his mother stabbed multiple times due to them being Muslim and the conflict in the Middle East.

Israel-Palestine: Palestinian student shot in US paralysed from the chest down | Middle East Eye wearing keffiyehs and speaking Arab one of them made paralyzed

It just seems like anyone who opposes the Israeli government is a racist and anyone who wants an end to the occupation in Palestine and better solution is also racist.

Hamas is worse than ISIS. These are the actions of pure evil psychopaths, not people rebelling against oppression.

*typo

Gaza needs to be liberated first and foremost from Hamas. Westerners excusing Hamas's behaviour are actively hurting Palestinians.

Please watch this interview of the son of one of the founders of Hamas before you wave a Palestinian flag and think that you are somehow helping Palestinians https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B8YYmrgAeqw&pp=ygUcUGllcnMgTW9yZ2FuIGhhbWFzIGludGVydmlldw%3D%3D

Interesting post....

Again, Israel is the one destroying Palestine. Trying to state otherwise is yet another attempt at disregarding what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people. They are destroying by bombing civilian structures as well as cultural structures. This is from the same army who has the technology to be completely accurate if they so wished. The politicians have made their intentions crystal clear: they want to destroy it.

Also, posters are allowed to speak out and criticise what Israel is doing to Palestine.

Guess what, your bizarre claim now mentionining Isis does not work to silence people. Nor does attempting to twist words by claiming people are defending Hamas.

Israsl is destroying Palestine. They are the ones blowing everywhere up and targeting innocents.

Ahh good old Piers Morgan who has defended the illegal occupation and the murdering of innocent Palestinian civilians....

As for the son, he is living it up in America after he was captured some time ago. Pinch of salt and all that.

Also stop trying to connect Hamas to the Palestinian flag. Bizarre.

Isis is a completely different story and comparing the two is not very helpful due to this.

Again @BackandForthRoundandRound with the bizarre defensiveness around Hamas.

Note - I'm not saying "support " because you're not saying that, however you're on every thread and jump on any and every post critical of the Hamas terrorists

I asked before why that was, and you conveniently refused to answer

It's fascinating

You are still attempting to come out with the same old line merely phrased in a slightly different way.

Why are so many happily excusing what is happening to the Palestinian people? That is something that goes unanswered and is usually answered with the same old "Hamas" line... hence my mentioning of them.

You are attempting to frame something in a certain way. Why are so many content with what is occurring in Palestine? I think that is a more important question

@Poudretteite excellent post. And excuse the apologist.

Sadly yes.
I don't believe the killing is ever going to stop if the two parties continueto fight over this land. Let Israel keep every blood socked inch. I know this isn't fair but that's just how it is. And perhaps even more shocking, I then think we should forget how they got this land and that their homes built on the bones of Palestinian children. In 100 years time, every guilty party in the conflict will be dead and the new generation of Israelis living on this land will be innocent. Palestinians who have made new lives elsewhere will also all be innocent and the guilty dead long ago.

There seems to be a very common view that we must remember our history. Often said that we can learn from it to prevent us repeating the same mistakes. As far as I can see, not just in this conflict but in conflicts around the world, remembering our history is the problem not the solution. It pollutes the future and spreads hate down through the generations for hundreds of years.

A two state solution would be better but just doesn't seem realistic. Admittedly, my solution doesn't seem realistic either. Neither side are willing to let go of the hatred, even of each others children.

@BackandForthRoundandRound Eh?

I was asking you a question.

Thats all

Some of these arguments are ridiculous. "Palestinian civilians are being innocently killed" more children have died in the first few months than other longer conflicts that are years e.g. Syria. But what about Hamas? If you want to take out Hamas go in special forces not bombing every single building in Gaza and claiming Hamas are there. Do people realize Israeli hostages also suffer from intense bombings? How do we not know that many Israeli hostages have not been killed due to Israel destroying Gaza?

The IDF run like a cartel they can kill who every they want even if caught on camera executing someone they get away cause they are the IDF and no questions will be asked. Ben Gvir is a terrorist he was convicted of supporting a terrorist organisation and he has a picture of a settler in his house who killed Palestinians and this guy is the Minister of National Security how the hell does that work? He is not the only one there have been other politicians saying to starve Gaza, blow the whole of Gaza, they should go back to Egypt etc... But this hardly ever gets a mention .

Then you have Israeli spokespeople saying "Gaza could have been like Singapore, Dubai." Hang on a second, are Singapore and Dubai under blockade for many years? Do Singapore and Dubai get bombed often? Gaza did have an airport and guess who bombed it? Some of these spokespeople just throw out ridiculous statements.

No. I have seen masses of Ukrainian flags, and they are totally uncontroversial. They are usually linked with welcoming Ukrainians who've escaped the conflict and raising money to help them. Noone is offended by them (and I would imagine most ordinary Russians living in the UK are opposed to what Putin is doing).

I have not seen any Israeli or Palestinian flags where I live, the only place I have seen these is on the news. I think flying either flag is likely to cause offence. The conflict is much more complex, and there are people in the UK who strongly support of strongly opposed both sides. This is completely different to Ukraine/Russia, because the only people in the UK supporting Russia are the Russian embassy.

You are presenting flying through Ukrainian flag and Israeli flag as if it's the same and generally accepted, this is completely false.

I’ve seen loads of Ukrainian flags and loads of Palestinian flags. I haven’t seen any Israeli flags. I wish I could put one up, because I would like to, but I don’t want rocks thrown through my windows or get harassed, so I don’t.

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I feel the same. I would like to hang an Israeli flag in my window but I am certain my house would be vandalised, given the huge rise in anti-semitic attacks in my area recently. I see plenty of Palestinian flags flying around though.

how easy of someone to make such a statement when it’s not their land and blood. When it’s not their home which has been confiscated. When it’s not their children who have been killed. How easy it is to say they should just give up and let their oppressors triumph. it’s a good thing that Palestinians have more courage and resilience than you could ever dream of. They will NEVER leave their land. They have endured a genocide and 75 years of brutality and will never give up. Better that you wish for the other side to accept this and for the world to come to its senses and stop being complicit in Israel’s crimes. Thankfully the silver lining of this genocide is that the ordinary people across the world have had their eyes opened.

and fyi - this isn’t about hatred for Palestinians. Despite the pernicious attempt to push that narrative, it’s never been about hate and it’s not about religion. It’s a fight for justice and for a homeland that was stolen.

Keep going with what they're doing then. How's it working out for everyone so far?

How’s apartheid and occupation working out for Israelis? Funny how I don’t see you dreaming for them to push off to the US or UK or Europe. Only Palestinians. Any reason for that?

I did say how's it working out for everyone, didn't I, not just the Palestinians.

And the reason I said the Palestinians and not the Israelis is because at the moment the Israelis have the upper hand. If the Palestinians had the upper hand (and had had the upper hand for the last few decades) I would have said the Israelis should just leave, nobody should have to live like this. I didn't claim my solution is fair either, I know it's not, but if it could end the bloodshed I think it's worth it, no land on earth is worth this much blood.

Or at least I don't think any land on earth is worth this much blood and the lives of so many children. If it was me, what would I choose, my house or my childrens lives?

@Kendodd I agree that even if Palestine was given land and sovereignty, there still may be hostilities. We don't know that though, and I feel it is wrong even for me to use the word 'given.' It is not some act of benevolence, it is their right. The rest of the world should be supporting this solution to be enacted peacefully, My other point would be that even if Palestine became legally part of Israel and Palestinians left, the movement for a greater Israel wants Lebanon, parts of Syria, sometimes Jordan. Even more extreme are those who envision taking anywhere in the world. So I don't think your proposal would work in terms of peace, and nor is it morally acceptable. I understand wanting the bloodshed and suffering of children to end. If there were a safe, fertile, unpopulated, unclaimed land to give to the Palestinians maybe that would be the best that can be done. But there isn't. I do think we should be offering asylum to those who want it, pressuring for ceasefire and return of hostages and offering protection on the ground to Palestinians in the OPT while establishing the 2 state. I can't see better options to this heart breaking situation.

Even more extreme are those who envision taking anywhere in the world.

@stormy4319trevor I hope I have read that wrong?