Eliminate Hamas……At any the cost ?

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Israel’s aim is to eliminate Hamas’ fighters.

So far it has cost 25,000 Palestinian lives.
Approximately 300 members of the IDF have been killed.
According to US intelligence (Rad 4 news 18.00 21-1-2024) between 20% and 30% of Hamas' fighters have been killed.
Approximately 65% of buildings have been destroyed.

So, the IDF is about a quarter of the way through the task they have been set.
The following question is directed at anyone who supports the current campaign to remove Hamas.

When does the loss of life become great enough to call a halt to the operation, or should it carry on until Hamas is eliminated, regardless of the cost?

edit, Title should read "At any cost"

Why be so graphic?
I'd describe what's been happening to children in refugee camps, doctors and patients in hospitals as slaughter too. They didn't deserve it either.
Double standards again.

I've said nothing of the sort.

Israel is no democracy. It has all the formal trappings of a democracy but it is not by any means a democracy. Jewish nationals have different rights to Muslims, Christians and Druze. In a real democracy, there are no second class citizens. Everyone is equal.

Source?

Hamas political spokesman on Al Jazerra tonight:
'Priority to end Israel offensive' ... quite forgetting why Israel launched it following Oct 7th !

Hamas want all capitants released on both sides. Want end to war. (Do they mean until next planned attack or forever)

Is it possible that during 2 years of planning the mass attack on Oct 7th that they didn't realise Israel would fight back.

I think Hamas knew Israel's response would be overwhelming, in fact they were counting on it, they didn't care about the impact on the people of Gaza, they just knew Netanyahu was guaranteed to make Israel look bad, and he has. I'm not sure they counted on quite how far he'd go. At the moment it seems like Israel's plan to remove Hamas is to leave them with nothing to rule.

It's notable that the only time hostages have been released in any number is when a 3rd party brokered a deal. I don't think Netanyahu cares about getting the hostages back or who kills them anymore. No one "wins' here.

https://www.state.gov/reports/2022-country-reports-on-human-rights-practices/israel-west-bank-and-gaza/

On that argument @AliceA2021 do you not think Israel should have realized the mounting civilian death toll in the West Bank before 7/10 would lead to retaliation? I’m not excusing the shocking events of 7/10 but nor am I condoning Israel’s brutal response.

The first line of that report says that "Israel is a multiparty, parliamentary democracy."

Rape as retaliation! Wow.

They planned the attack over TWO YEARS

Yet the content tells a different story. There are a fair few countries recognised as democracies which don't act at all like one (imo).

Is that right?

We've had actual Israelis on here tell us that that's not correct

@AliceA2021 and Palestinians have been dying for a lot longer than that

In what way precisely is Israel not a democracy?

This is an interesting question. Are you Israeli? Can you explain the system there for voting in your government?

If Jewish civilians are killed, it's slaughter. If Palestinian civilians are killed, it's war.
No words.

I think any killing or harming is horrific and I think we all know that really. Stopping this has to be a decision made by each individual and then lived every day.

When one group of people can forcibly take the property and land from another group of people with the support of the authorities those groups are definitely not being treated as equals, the same goes for the arrests and being held without charge for years in some cases, doesn't seem to be very democratic to me

Tedious.

Israel is being portrayed as a country with a marked lack of equality and a system of electing their government that may not be what we in the uk would recognise as “democracy”. If you aren’t well placed to describe the set up then I apologise for asking and perhaps there’s someone else reading who understands how the system there works?

You could always look it up. You do have the Internet after all. Although I doubt you're really interested tbh.

You'd think you'd have already tried to learn a bit about the system of government you want to dismantle.

Yes there are lots of things you can look up on the internet or even read in a book or talk about to someone with more knowledge than you and an interest in sharing their knowledge.

As I see it, the only time that Hamas want to 'come to the table' is when they are losing.

The IDF have been flooding the tunnels under Gaza with seawater for about 3 weeks now.

Maybe Hamas is having problems with their terrorist activities now they are paddling around in a few inches of water in the dark ?

The IDF have been flooding the tunnels under Gaza with seawater for about 3 weeks now.
Then pray that the hostages are not kept there. But, then again, the Israeli government appear hell bent on killing as many as possible. They don't appear too bothered who they kill.