Netanyahu rules out two state solution

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Netanyahu rejects a Palestinian state. Surprise surprise.

What is his plan for Gaza?

Resettle with Israeli settlements? Return to continued Israeli occupation?

How can the US, UK, EU and others continue to support this war when they claim to be in favour of a two state solution?

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-18-2024-73d552c6e73e0dc3783a0a11b2b5f67d?taid=65a95f27cc8ea90001513093&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

He said "From the river to the sea" Isn't that genocide rhetoric?

Our pro Israeli friends on another thread this week clarified that that's only the case when pro-Palestinians say it.

As the Arabs have ruled out a two state solution at least 5 times in the past, this is irrelevant. They will not countenance a nation called 'Israel' existing at all, anywhere.
Nobody can be allowed to forget 'never again is now'.

Netanyahu is a far right nutcase. Hopefully some better leadership will take over at some point soon in Israel.

Remember there is a lot of big man sabre-rattling in middle-eastern politics so you have to take this with a pinch of salt

I heard Netanyahu's speech and he seems to be quite rattled. Probably as it's becoming more clear that plans are being discussed for after the war by the US which doesn't include him being PM anymore.

Netanyahu was never going to back a two state solution, so no big surprise there.

Please don’t use the word Arabs. It’s Islamophobic. Same way you wouldn’t say “the Jewish have rejected the 2 state solution” because it’d be antisemitism

Not the same unless you’re assuming all Arab people are Muslim, which would be both racist and Islamophobic.

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Yep

He’s going to do it. We’re all going to watch. The narrative will be written to suit him and his followers. and we will teach the children this “history”

"The Arabs"?
A somewhat sweeping description surely?
What would be your take on anyone who said "The Jews" and then labelled all as having the same opinions/motives?

<edit I see others have made the same - very valid - point>

Trouble is the Israeli ambassador to the UK recently said in a Sky interview that there would never be a two state solution/free palestine and that would be the case even after any change of government in Israel. The film is on youtube.

I am genuinely surprised that at least some people seem surprised!

Literally the entirety of Netanyahu's political career has been centred around "I am the one guy who will stop a two-state-solution" - starting very early on.

I have said this before and will say it again - though I admit there may be some sort of "personal bias" involved here, seeing as I spent a long time working in consulting myself: nothing about Bibi managing to maintain a smooth exterior whilst holding the most indefensible of positions will ever surprise you again once you learn that, after graduating, he worked for BCG. His every statement is "consulting style style over substance"central! Say what you will about the consulting industry - but we train our juniors well, and whichever BCG manager trained him did one stellar job! We would still all be a lot better off if the guy had just stuck to painting pretty powerpoints that make CEOs feel as though they are, ultimately, good people for laying masses of people off!

I didn't know that heidi
No wonder he's a master in making his desired outcome seem acceptable to people who should by rights be very worried by it

I think Netanyahu is on his way out and there is about to be a leadership challenge
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68035744

Don't know much about Israeli politics bit if I was reading this about the UK govt I'd think there was about to be a "no confidence"/leadership election scenario

🤞 because the more I read about Netanyahu and what he says the more he reminds me of Putin. He is scary!

Every time Bibi has come into power my (Israeli) mother has cried for a week...

out of interest does she say anything about him amidst the crying?
Is she is Israel?
Honest questions.

She lives here in the UK but she was born in Israel, to my Jewish grandmother (born in Jerusalem 1910) and my Jewish grandfather, born in Poland, Holocaust survivor.
She is, and my grandparents were, secular.

She says he's a far right megalomaniac, who will do whatever it takes to stay in power and therefore pushes the agenda of the far right and ultra orthodox.

Her heart broke when Rabin when killed. Bibi had something to do with that..

Have Hamas and the Palestinians come out in support of a two state solution?

The events of 7th October suggest to me Hamas has gone all in for a one state solution.

Or bust.

She cries because she knows he and his party agenda is not a fair one & won't bring about the peaceful & fair 2 state solution that she and all her community have always wished for.

This!!

If both sides could get some decent representation instead of Netanyahu and Hamas we would be a lot bloody closer to peace

Whilst I don't think Netanyahu wanted Oct 7th massacre to happen, it was a gift for him, politically, and he will spin this war out for as long as he can to preserve his position and achieve his far-right aims.

How long that will be depends on how much actual support he has in Israel v outside pressure. The IDF abuse, structural indignities in the West Bank, the strength political far right Israeli parties - none of this happened in a vacuum. In the same way we know there is some support for Hamas ideology inside Gaza, there is the same for Netanyahu.

I'm really worried about Gaza being preserved as a Palestinian enclave.