Netanyahu rules out two state solution

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Netanyahu rejects a Palestinian state. Surprise surprise.

What is his plan for Gaza?

Resettle with Israeli settlements? Return to continued Israeli occupation?

How can the US, UK, EU and others continue to support this war when they claim to be in favour of a two state solution?

https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-01-18-2024-73d552c6e73e0dc3783a0a11b2b5f67d?taid=65a95f27cc8ea90001513093&utm_campaign=TrueAnthem&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter

Sadly this debate has been stupidly simplified (looking at the survey chart above about whether you are on the Israeli or Palestinian ‘side’).

The two state solution is a recognition that both Israel and the Palestinians have a right to live in peace.

As I’ve said on similar threads, the main destabilising actor in all of this is Iran. Iran supported Hamas into getting elected and supports virtually all the terrorism, including the recent attack on Israel.

The U.S needs to take on Iran, and sooner is better than later….and yes, once again civilians will be caught in the crossfire.

Without Iran, the other actors will soon agree a long lasting peace.

@Newbutoldfather

"The U.S needs to take on Iran, and sooner is better than later….and yes, once again civilians will be caught in the crossfire.

Without Iran, the other actors will soon agree a long lasting peace."

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There is absolutely no appetite in the West (including the US) to expand into an open conflict with Iran and Iran knows this. And what would the actual objective of such a conflict with Iran be and how would you exit such a conflict.

Perhaps a grey zone conflict but not an open conflict.

@1dayatatime ,

Firstly, bomb known nuclear sites.

Secondly, hardcore boycott unless Iran stops exporting terror.

Thirdly, punish the mullahs directly with travel bans, sanctions etc.

Here is what an American general has to say:

https://www.politico.eu/article/iran-joe-biden-gaza-houthis-us-wont-accept-its-destabilizing-actions/

@Newbutoldfather would it not be very dangerous to bomb nuclear sites?

@Parkingt111 ,

Not in terms of an explosion, no. To make a bomb is quite a tough engineering achievement. You need to compress an above critical mass of enriched Uranium (which Iran hasn’t got yet).

It would’ve spread radioactive isotopes about, but I am assuming the sites are nowhere near population centres.

@Newbutoldfather ahh ok I don't know much about nuclear sites but I have to agree with @1dayatatime On this one, that it seems highly unlikely for the US to start a war with Iran right now

All valid points of course but there simply isn't the appetite in the West for such a conflict with Iran.

On the basis that the hard left useful idiots are protesting in London about a war in the Middle East that the UK is not directly involved then imagine the mental meltdown they would have if the UK was actively involved in a conflict with Iran.

Far better to play them at their own game through the Grey Zone.

Nah not really and in any event not as dangerous as actually letting Iran develop nuclear weapons.

@1dayatatime Couldn't people be confused when they first hear about the topic and then feel more confident about their understanding later on?

"Lame insults"? I'm not sure you understand what that poster was saying.

And attacking people for typos is really quite pathetic.

It's more the meaning and implications behind the phrase than the phrase itself I was objecting to.

Mashal has been overruled by his boss, Sinwar anyway. Hamas has repeatedly supported the two state solution since 2017 and repeatedly offered it since Oct 7th; if we are to believe the news.

Nethanyu is currently becoming increasingly isolated.

Israel, as in the government make "Arab" synonymous with Muslim. I've seen quite a few Jewish writers in the UK who talk about "Arabs in the local mosque" when they mean Muslims. It's a lazy slur.

@1dayatatime Thanks for explaining your view. I have not been reading this board much lately, since I gave nothing much new to say. Perhaps that does happen, but I just wondered if people start off trying to understand, then solidify opinions later on. But if you are more regularly engaged, I respect your view.

Frightening what hypocrites the left are being.

Maybe look at the date I posted this thread and indeed generally when I started posting about the Israeli-Gaza conflict. At the time I started this thread I wanted to learn, now I feel better informed in part through reading these threads and in part through reading to research to the extremely polarised views on here. So my position is different now.

Oh, actually you appear to have c&p my opener from another thread I started and not mentioned that was quite a while back. I'm reporting as I think that's against MNHQ rules.

Hey @stormy4319trevor hope you have been well

I don't think these sort of personal attacks are ok and it's bordering bullying. If there's concerns they should be reported to MNHQ

Hey Parking, hope you are bearing up. I've had life stuff to deal with, plus I've been out of words for how I feel about it all. Hope you are well too.

Actually, did anyone hear the idea about creating an artificial island in the Med and putting the Gazan population there?

;The Israeli foreign minister, Israel Katz, has suggested that Palestinians could be housed on an artificial island in the Mediterranean, according to sources at the meeting of EU ministers in Brussels.
It is understood that Katz presented a video on the concept to the 27 EU foreign ministers as an alternative to the two-state solution. He told them the video referred to a plan made some years ago when he was a transport minister.'