Israel/Hamas War - Ceasefire

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Each Saturday we are seeing demonstrations in London where people are marching with placards and calling for a ceasefire in the Hamas/Israel war.

However, it is difficult to know how the supporters of Palestine think this can be achieved? (Interestingly, no calls for Hamas to cease hostilities and return the hostages were heard - so is this really a call for unilateral disarmament?)

And who should Israel negotiate a ceasefire with? Hamas, ISIS, ISSP, The Muslim Brotherhood - all of these groups/any of these groups?

What is it the supporters of Palestine actually want?

I just read this on the other thread (“Bearing Witness to the Genocide”
It seems to see The US as complicit really, whatever it seems from the outside.

https://www.jonathan-cook.net/blog/2024-04-30/israel-us-plan-gaza/
(Thank you to the poster who added this.)

Well that's terrible news.

www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-799923

Update...

Who writes these captions you post?

Reuters writing on the same attack:
CAIRO, May 5 (Reuters) -

The armed wing of Palestinian Islamist group Hamas claimed responsibility on Sunday for an attack on the Kerem Shalom crossing into Gaza that Israel said killed three of its soldiers.
Israel's military said 10 projectiles were launched from Rafah in southern Gaza towards the area of the crossing, which it said was now closed to aid trucks going into the coastal enclave. Other crossings remained open.

Hamas' armed wing said it fired rockets at an Israeli army base by the crossing, but did not confirm where it fired them from. Hamas media quoted a source close to the group as saying the commercial crossing was not the target.
More than a million Palestinians are sheltering in Rafah, near the border with Egypt.

Shortly after the Hamas attack, an Israeli airstrike hit a house in Rafah killing three people and wounding several, Palestinian medics said.

The Israeli military confirmed the counter-strike, saying it struck the launcher from which the Hamas projectiles were fired, as well as a nearby "military structure".
"The launches carried out by Hamas adjacent to the Rafah Crossing ... are a clear example of the terrorist organisation's systematic exploitation of humanitarian facilities and spaces, and their continued use of the Gazan civilian population as human shields," it said.

Hamas denies it uses civilians as human shields.
Israel has vowed to enter the southern Gaza city and flush out Hamas forces there, but has faced mounting pressure to hold fire as the operation could derail fragile humanitarian efforts in Gaza and endanger many more lives.
Sunday's attack on the crossing came as hopes dimmed for ceasefire talks under way in Cairo.

The war began after Hamas stunned Israel with a cross-border raid on Oct. 7 in which 1,200 people were killed and 252 hostages taken, according to Israeli tallies.

Hamas 'stunned' Israel. How glib.

I was wondering if the Hamas attack at the Kerem Shalom crossing was intended as an attack on the humanitarian aid entrance, or just an attack to cause trouble, as both seemed odd. Now I have seen this in Haaretz which suggests Hamas were aiming at the Israeli military equipment there planned for use in the likely Israeli Rafah attack.

IDF Names Four Soldiers Killed in Rocket Barrage From GazaThe four soldiers, Tal Shavit, Ruben Marc Mordechai Assouline, Ido Testa, and Michael Ruzal were guarding equipment the army has deployed ahead of its planned operation in Rafah. Nine more soldiers were wounded in the attack by Hamas
www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-05-05/ty-article/.premium/idf-names-three-soldiers-killed-in-mortar-barrage-from-gaza/0000018f-4a7b-d91a-a5af-ebffec900000

These soldiers are very young men and it is all tragic.

Hamas has accepted a ceasefire. Hopefully this will be the end of everything

Slightly differing account in Israeli media.

@stomachamelon can you provide a source for these screenshots you post?

I hope Israel agree to the deal. Suspect they're too bloodthirsty to do so. They seem to really really want to flatten Rafah.

Looks like it's not been agreed upon. How convenient.

www.instagram.com/p/C6opm0qoSJY/?igsh=aG80aXVtemx3Yndj

I'm seeing mixed reports right now. I have seen celebrations taking place in Gaza on the news that a ceasefire deal has been accepted. But nothing seems to be confirmed by Israel yet

Update

@ConnieCounter based on that comment no. If anyone wants the link dm me and I will send it.

Israel hasn’t accepted the deal according to the UKnews now.

www.aljazeera.com/program/newsfeed/2024/5/6/hamas-accepts-qatari-and-egyptian-ceasefire-proposal

Army still being sent into Rafah……..so sad!

Yes I've just seen they're still to comment on it.

Hamas ceasefire deal is a ‘ruse’, says Israeli official
Source : DT:

Hamas’s acceptance of a Egyptian-Qatari peace deal is a “ruse” designed to make Israel look like it is obstructing peace, an Israeli official has said.
Speaking on condition of anonymity, the official said that the truce Hamas agreed to was a “softened” version of an Egyptian proposal that included “far-reaching” conclusions that Israel could not accept.
“This would appear to be a ruse intended to make Israel look like the side refusing a deal,” said the official.
Earlier on Monday, Hamas announced it had accepted an Egyptian-Qatari proposal to end its seven-month war with Israel.
In a statement, the terror group said Ismail Haniyeh, its leader in exile, had delivered the news in a phone call with Qatar’s prime minister and Egypt’s intelligence minister.
Israel was said to be examining the Hamas statement and was set to deliver a response later this evening.

Based on that comment I'll assume not a genuine media source then.

“This would appear to be a ruse intended to make Israel look like the side refusing a deal,” said the official.

From AoL.:
But an official briefed on the peace talks, also speaking on condition of anonymity, said the offer Hamas accepted was effectively the same as one agreed at the end of April by Israel.

A U.S. official familiar with truce negotiations told Reuters that Netanyahu and the war cabinet "have not appeared to approach the latest phase of negotiations in good faith."
www.aol.com/news/israel-begins-evacuating-part-rafah-071546689.html

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/5/6/text-of-the-ceasefire-proposal-approved-by-hamas

From the NYT:

"The New York Times this morning reports that Hamas informed the negotiators yesterday – as part of its counteroffer to Israel’s proposal – that not all of the 33 hostages to be released in the first stage would still be alive, but their remains would be returned."

WTF - why were they not returned whilst they were alive???

Guarantors: Egypt, Qatar, United States and United Nations.

Suggesting the US thinks they should agree...