Israel/Hamas War - Ceasefire

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Each Saturday we are seeing demonstrations in London where people are marching with placards and calling for a ceasefire in the Hamas/Israel war.

However, it is difficult to know how the supporters of Palestine think this can be achieved? (Interestingly, no calls for Hamas to cease hostilities and return the hostages were heard - so is this really a call for unilateral disarmament?)

And who should Israel negotiate a ceasefire with? Hamas, ISIS, ISSP, The Muslim Brotherhood - all of these groups/any of these groups?

What is it the supporters of Palestine actually want?

Israel is capable of being clinical and precisely targeting Hamas but just not in Palestine.

www.instagram.com/reel/C4dn5aAxwJm/?igsh=bDVleGJmY295emR2

RTE news : Schumer calls Israeli PM an obstacle to peace

http://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2024/0314/1437992-israel-diplomacy/

American pressure on Netanyahu to go but would a new government do any different?

Honestly, just a short while ago, I was speaking to an IRL friend of mine and prophecising "just you wait: the empire seems to have decided that Netanyahu is the scapegoat and sacrificial pawn for this entire outrage".

Because, in between international outrage, criminal proceedings, US electioneering, etc., someone will have to be the "bad apple" if you are not willing to go down the "actually, this whole situation has been fundamentally wrong for the better part of a century route" route - which Biden, Schumer & Co. are clearly not!

𝗬𝗼𝘁𝗮𝗺 𝗞𝗶𝗽𝗻𝗶𝘀, who lost both of his parents in the October 7th Hamas attack, is doing everything he can to get humanitarian aid into Gaza and to advocate for peace. Yotam is working with other activists in Israel including @zazimorgil and Stop the War. He is part of a counterprotest against far-right activists trying to block aid entering Gaza. Yotam believes that only equality, reconciliation and justice will achieve security and peace for both Israelis and Palestinians. Despite his tremendous loss, he believes that fighting for peace, not revenge, is the only way forward.

https://twitter.com/maozinon/status/1768273008609628234

wish more people were like him. I don’t think there can be peace in the area unless both areas have recovered from all these years of fighting

Brave compassionate young man his parents would be so proud may they rest in peace

Thank you to him for not giving in to this hatred. I believe he is right.

@dulra

He said there were four obstacles to peace Abbas, Hamas and its supporters, the far right and Netanyahu.

The difference being
'An obstacle to peace'

And

'The obstacle to peace'

Tbh I find the US officials to be quite hypocritical. Netanyahu is right that they say we support your right to defend and then you criticise when we do. Atleast he is open about his intentions. They are just two faced. If they were really bothered then they would have conditioned or at the least limited the supply of arms.
This is not praise for Netanyahu as I loathe the man but as said its easy to put the blame on him and step away from their own faults in the matter

Biden gave Netanyahu the green light to get as far as he has today, he made it clear that there were no red lines so he should accept and take responsibility in his own failings, he knew what Netanyahu was capable of.

He's a staunch pro-isreali, has been for decades so it is pretty damning for Netanyahu that he considers him an obstacle to peace and for him to call for elections.

Netanyahu is problematic but acting as if he is the only obstacle to peace is oversimplifying and naive at best.

Most people are pro Israeli and anti Netanyahu but if you look at the stats he has it backward. Make of that what you will.

Also interesting rebuttal from Mitch McConnell.

Also interesting rebuttal from Mitch McConnell. Not sure I would would be comforted to have Mitch McConnell on my side, he is a snake

Most people are pro Israeli and anti Netanyahu
Do you mean most people who are pro Israeli are anti Netanyahu?

Netanyahu is problematic but acting as if he is the only obstacle to peace is oversimplifying and naïve at best.
I don't agree, he is not saying he is the only obstacle but is a major obstacle, I think it is naïve not to think that leaders don't matter. If you look back through history and the different peace processes that were successful it was the people involved, their commitment to the process, their willingness to negotiate and their ability to take people with them. It takes great strength and bravery and literally putting yourself on the line. Don't underestimate how important good leaders are in these situations

www.ynetnews.com/article/bkr63dbra

Over a quarter of a million Israelis had to flee their homes in the aftermath of 7/10. Powerful article about the slow return home.

@Dulra it says he is an 'obstacle to peace' along with Hamas, the far right and Abbas. No emphasis on him beyond all the other things.
So the status quo needs to change which I don't imagine many will argue with. Thankfully Israel has an election system which will deal with that aspect.
Not much on how the other three will be changed?

" I don't agree, he is not saying he is the only obstacle but is a major obstacle, I think it is naïve not to think that leaders don't matter. If you look back through history and the different peace processes that were successful it was the people involved, their commitment to the process, their willingness to negotiate and their ability to take people with them. It takes great strength and bravery and literally putting yourself on the line. Don't underestimate how important good leaders are in these situation"

It's naive because scapegoating Netanyahu promotes the idea that he is pushing unpopular tactics in the war or prolonging it in some way and that just isn't true. They can't remove him and install a new regime that does their bidding anymore than Israel can do that in Gaza.

If you looked at the recent statt's he may be unpopular but the war is not. Pushing him out to promote the 'path to the Palestinian state' was always going to be a controversial idea in Israel and is now the least popular.

The west has to understand that attempting to force a 2SS only strengthens the right wing and it is not what is wanted. They need to understand mindset before meddling in me geopolitics.

I don’t know a great deal about the politics here but think you may be right about strengthening the right wing. I think they are waiting.

Politics in Israel

Sorry, I have just re read your post and see I misunderstood before.

I think that if Netanyahu is pushed out there may be even worse waiting to take over.

But if there is not a two state solution and hope for Palestinians, probably there is no chance of peace or security for Israel.

@stomachamelon yes you're probably right scapegoating Netanyahu is not the answer and it may then be used as a defence with the ICJ. I don't know enough about Israeli politics to know what other parties may be better for Israel and the region as a whole?and calling an election now would probably just return Netanyahu anyway, better the devil you know.

When I spoke of influential leaders needed to work towards peace it was in relation to the good friday agreement. I don't think it would have got across the line if the likes of Thatcher was in power or any tories. It is often the case of having the right people in power at the right time and sadly now is not the right leaders or the right time for Israel and Gaza

I have wonderful weather Netanyahu would be the sacrificial lamb offered to the ICJ, particularly in light of internal Israeli charges Netanyahu’s corruption and bribery. However, he seems quite pally with Biden - who may have his back with regards to the ICJ and prefer Israel to take their own judicial process forward with corruption charges.
Agree with @stomachameleon that this goes beyond Netanyahu- but would taking him out of the equation make a right wing coalition against a 2 state solution less likely? Does he have a natural successor?This would serve international relations well, despite what right wing Israelis want. Or, is not a “right wing” to not want a 2ss but the ordinary view of an Israeli citizen?

www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-792241

Fatah slams Hamas:
Responsible for the current 'nakba'

It only took them 5 months
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68658415

@EasterIssland weird eh?

Not really, America has always been war mongering hypocrites, at least their abstention meant the resolution could go through. But don't worry none of us have any faith in Israel or Hamas cooperating with it