Israel/Hamas War - Ceasefire

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Each Saturday we are seeing demonstrations in London where people are marching with placards and calling for a ceasefire in the Hamas/Israel war.

However, it is difficult to know how the supporters of Palestine think this can be achieved? (Interestingly, no calls for Hamas to cease hostilities and return the hostages were heard - so is this really a call for unilateral disarmament?)

And who should Israel negotiate a ceasefire with? Hamas, ISIS, ISSP, The Muslim Brotherhood - all of these groups/any of these groups?

What is it the supporters of Palestine actually want?

I really didn't.

This is pointless.

Decide what you want to discuss and then just let the rest of us know.

Well yes, but I was more referring to when you said
They've also been known to send suicide bombers, stabbers, people to drive into people.. and then asking You should take into account the amount of attempted murders,

I totally agree with you.

bombers, stabbers, ramming attacks- almost always by terrorists from West Bank or East Jerusalem. And part of that facet of the wider conflict also includes the settler violence in West Bank and East Jerusalem.

Sorry what? Who is “us”?

I think posting a comment is a clear indication of what we want to talk about?

You seem to be the only one objecting to my agreeing with your post from last night saying You should take into account the amount of attempted murder and posting comments that bring into account the amount of attempted murder that is in addition to the *suicide bombers, stabbers, people to drive into people *that you mentioned.

I am feeling pretty dazed that you’re not on board with this wider discussion that you initiated. But that’s ok. You don’t have to keep participating if you don’t want to.

Feel free to report it. It isn't a personal attack (in my opinion) to point out how your posts are coming across to me. MNHQ may disagree.

@Parkingt111 I was surprised to see you’d been targeted like that when I caught up with this thread this morning. I’ve always found you to be one of the more balanced posters on here so please don’t take that as a majority opinion of you.

They were talking about deaths by rockets the past 20 years. If you look back the past 20 years, there were suicide bombers etc from Gaza. Not so much recently because of the intense security at the border now but in the past 20 years. I wasn't the one to start the discussion on the past 20 years, that was a couple of other posters. I just went along with it.

Yes, I agree and I agreed with your comment that they should not just look at the rocket attacks by Hamas but all the terror attacks- to include attempted murder as well as deaths because you cannot say there is no real threat or cause for fear on behalf of the Israeli people without taking into account all the terror attacks, which means terrorists other than Hamas.

I was trying to stick to the topic of Gaza the past 20 years, so wasn't talking about terrorists from the West Bank or East Jerusalem even though they're currently the bigger threat to Israelis.

As I said, if you want to talk about that then go ahead. It just feels a bit off topic to me but I'm not the topic-police so do whatever you want. Just stop trying to make out as though I'm the one who has changed the topic. I'm not.

@Tripper79 strange how we both thought the same thing though.

Ok. Thank you for clarifying.

Yes but you're now wanting to discuss violence in all of Palestine, so not just deaths by rockets from Hamas! Make up your mind about what you want to discuss and then just let me know when you've settled on something
At the risk of sounding sarcastic we’re discussing the Israeli-Gaza conflict?
(And before you start going on about being on topic, death by rockets is not the topic of this thread, just saying)

Yes but people then started discussing deaths by Hamas rockets the past 20 years in an attempt to minimise Israeli fears. I was still only talking about Gaza at all times, others then started talking about the West Bank and when I challenged that I was told I value Israeli lives over Palestinian ones and isn't it funny how I won't discuss settlers? So if you agree with me that we're meant to be discussing Gaza, I'm not sure why you're quoting me instead of the other posters?

As the thread is ‘Conflict in the Middle East’ is it ok to add in the Hezbollah attacks on northern Israel and the Houthi drones shot down on their way to attack Southern Israel?

And the IDF air strikes in Lebanon and Syria?

The US and U.K. air strikes in Yemen?

I think it’s obvious that the conflict has spread beyond Gaza and this escalation worries me.

I believe there is a thread about it on here.

Yes but people then started discussing deaths by Hamas rockets the past 20 years in an attempt to minimise Israeli fears. I was still only talking about Gaza at all times, others then started talking about the West Bank and when I challenged that I was told I value Israeli lives over Palestinian ones and isn't it funny how I won't discuss settlers? So if you agree with me that we're meant to be discussing Gaza, I'm not sure why you're quoting me instead of the other posters?
The Israeli-Palestine conflict then? What happens in the West Bank is hardly a separate issue to the current conflict.

@Parkingt111

"I have been following the Israel/Palestine conflict for many years and I have never seen such intense polarising views as witnessed in this current conflict. Sometimes it can just be different opinions/views. I don't expect everyone to agree with mine even though it can feel incredibly frustrating at times."

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I have differed on opinions with you several times but you are 100% correct on this.

The polarisation of views means that any peaceful solution or compromise of views just becomes that much harder to achieve leaving the only option left as "last man standing".

In addition there are numerous bad faith actors out there and MN actively seeking to promote such polarisation and extremism. For example the posts that start with "Excuse my ignorance or I don't know much about the ME situation but why are ......insert emotionally provocative statement such as "babies being killed etc. The poster then returns to stir the pot a two or three times and then once it has got heated they then disappear. These posts are not designed to inform or debate but to inflame and cause further division.

Sock puppeting is not allowed, you should report it and MNHQ will ban people doing it

I have. Several times.

Are you trying to say you think I’m a sock puppet? Who is it you think I really am then? Do tell, you may as well..

Well maybe your suspicions are unfounded 🤷‍♀️ I'm regularly surprised by how many people share what I perceive to be unusual views on some boards, perhaps it's what happens when people move outside their comfort zones into more controversial topics

I'm regularly surprised by how many people share what I perceive to be unusual views on some boards, perhaps it's what happens when people move outside their comfort zones into more controversial topics
There are people from all different cultures, backgrounds, country’s on here. Some stuff is going to be out of your sphere of experience and get you thinking “only on planet MN” but that’s just the nature of the beast.

@Fussandmisery I honestly have no idea why your name is at the beginning of that and I will ask Mumsnet to delete.

I know you might think I am fibbing but I sincerely apologise. That was not directed at anyone in particular.

I have reported one today (not this thread) and have done a couple before (a while ago)

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