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ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2

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HeidiInTheBigCity · 15/01/2024 07:50

1st thread is full - here comes part 2!

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PeasfullPerson · 01/03/2024 21:35

Good. Now where is ours?

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 21:20

Australian PM has been referred to ICC for facilitating Israel in this “war”

ICJ: SA Genocide Case vs. ISR - part 2
10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 05/03/2024 01:19

EasterIssland · 04/03/2024 21:20

Australian PM has been referred to ICC for facilitating Israel in this “war”

Really?! 😁 And Penny Wong, too. As an Australian, this makes me very happy. 😁 Hopefully other political leaders will be referred to the ICC as well, like Rishi Sunak for example.

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 07:14

Keep checking the ICJ website - not a sausage about Israels progress report

Maybe it was submitted - maybe not

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 06/03/2024 08:06

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 07:14

Keep checking the ICJ website - not a sausage about Israels progress report

Maybe it was submitted - maybe not

I am anxious to find out what it says. It's obvious that they have totally ignored the ICJ'S orders. I wonder how Israel is going to spin that. This genocide has really got to stop and Israel has to be held accountable.

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 08:13

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 06/03/2024 08:06

I am anxious to find out what it says. It's obvious that they have totally ignored the ICJ'S orders. I wonder how Israel is going to spin that. This genocide has really got to stop and Israel has to be held accountable.

Certainly not done anything to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in fact deliberately made it worse over the last month by reducing aid going into Gaza by 50%

'Plausible genocide' now looking more like actual genocide

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 06/03/2024 09:27

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 08:13

Certainly not done anything to alleviate the humanitarian crisis in fact deliberately made it worse over the last month by reducing aid going into Gaza by 50%

'Plausible genocide' now looking more like actual genocide

Agreed. Israel was also told to pipe down on the genocidal language, I doubt they did that either. And they are still committing genocidal acts, like what happened to Hind and the poor man who was ran over by a tank. Someone posted (on the Here's the Reality of What Israel is doing-Part 2 thread, I think) that a civilian car was deliberately ran over by a tank with a family inside, as well. Israel is deliberately starving people, deliberately bombing people's homes and is murdering people in horrific ways. It's obvious that it's an actual genocide, even though Israel supporters pretend it isn't.

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 09:48

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 06/03/2024 09:27

Agreed. Israel was also told to pipe down on the genocidal language, I doubt they did that either. And they are still committing genocidal acts, like what happened to Hind and the poor man who was ran over by a tank. Someone posted (on the Here's the Reality of What Israel is doing-Part 2 thread, I think) that a civilian car was deliberately ran over by a tank with a family inside, as well. Israel is deliberately starving people, deliberately bombing people's homes and is murdering people in horrific ways. It's obvious that it's an actual genocide, even though Israel supporters pretend it isn't.

Not doing well on the 'not preventing new members of the group being born' either going by todays account of ante-natal care and childbirth at the Emirati Maternity Hospital in Rafah

The rise in neonatal deaths from starvation - dehydrated/malnourished mothers unable to produce breastmilk and unable to obtain formula or clean water - first noted 3-4 weeks ago is yet more evidence

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 06/03/2024 10:17

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 09:48

Not doing well on the 'not preventing new members of the group being born' either going by todays account of ante-natal care and childbirth at the Emirati Maternity Hospital in Rafah

The rise in neonatal deaths from starvation - dehydrated/malnourished mothers unable to produce breastmilk and unable to obtain formula or clean water - first noted 3-4 weeks ago is yet more evidence

It's so heartbreaking, isn't it? ☹️ It seems that Israel has deliberately chosen to not only ignore the ICJ'S ruling, but do the precise opposite. Instead of letting aid in, they are going to get people camp at the border to block aid trucks and they're going to shoot people trying to get to the little aid allowed in. Instead of ensuring that there's adequate medical care available, they attack more hospitals to make sure the health system collapses further. Instead of not preventing births, they destroy access to prenatal and antenatal care. It's sick. When is Israel due in court again? It can't happen soon enough. ☹️

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 10:21

Agree @10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne it almost seems like doing the reverse of what was asked

IDK what happens next - another country needs to submit a complaint?

10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne · 06/03/2024 10:29

Efacsen · 06/03/2024 10:21

Agree @10UsernamesNotAvailableTryAnotherOne it almost seems like doing the reverse of what was asked

IDK what happens next - another country needs to submit a complaint?

Maybe Brazil would? President Lula issued a statement condemning Israel's actions recently, saying that it's a genocide and it's a historical fact. Brazil has also expelled the Israeli ambassador and recalled their own from Israel. I hate this. I want this genocide to end. ☹️

EasterIssland · 06/03/2024 20:26

NEWS: South Africa today filed an urgent request for the indication of additional provisional measures and the modification of the #ICJ ’s Order of 26 January 2024 and decision of 16 February 2024 in the case #South Africa

https://twitter.com/CIJ_ICJ/status/1765455288352559262

https://twitter.com/CIJ_ICJ/status/1765455288352559262

Kindatired · 06/03/2024 21:44

What’s needed are EU sanctions and the US to turn off the tap on the flow of USD.

HeidiInTheBigCity · 06/03/2024 21:53

Kindatired · 06/03/2024 21:44

What’s needed are EU sanctions and the US to turn off the tap on the flow of USD.

What's needed, really, are immediate, all-encompassing global sanctions:

Not only "nobody sells or delivers weaponry" but also "nobody gets to BUY their 'cutting-edge, tested on Palestinians' 'profiting from occupation, oppression, and Apartheid' products either"!

Not only "we don't buy 'from illegal settlements'" but also "we don't buy from "'implicitly benefitting from the untenable status quo' either".

Not only "we sanction specific, personally named violent extremist" but "we also sanction everyone and anyone who enabled them"!

This might work! To be fair: it won't happen, but: if it did, it would work!

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BelleHathor · 06/03/2024 23:44

Interesting Tweet (reposted by a pro Palestinian journalist I follow). It's by an Israeli who claims to have heard it from someone in Bidens administration. It was in Hebrew so I've translated it to English:
https://x.com/AmiDror/status/1765446895692882356?s=20
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אחרי חמישה חודשים, בארצות הברית נפל הפור. הערב שמעתי ממקור מאוד קרוב לנשיא ביידן דברים שלא האמנתי שאשמע בחיי.

חטופות וחטופים הנמקים במנהרות החמאס מצד אחד וילדים וילדות המתים מתת תזונה מהצד שני זה לא משהו שארצות הברית יכולה להיות שותפה לו.

נתניהו הבטיח להם שהמלחמה תסתיים בתחילת ינואר ושיקר.
נתניהו הבטיח שישחרר את החטופים, שיביא ניצחון בדרום ובצפון ושיקר, ושיקר ושיקר.

גם גנץ איכזב - סיפר שאפשר לסמוך עליו וכשל שוב ושוב.
השבוע גנץ קיבל הזהרה חמורה מאוד בוושינגטון - אני מקווה שהוא הצליח להבין את האיום מבין החיוכים המנומסים.

לפי המקורות שלי, בקרוב מאוד נראה את ארצות הברית מעבירה החלטה להפסקת אש במועצת הביטחון (ללא תנאים). יכול להיות שנראה ספינות מזון אמריקאיות נוחתות על חופי עזה ממש בקרוב.
בשלב הבא שרי ממשלת ישראל יואשמו בפשעי מלחמה (בשל האסון ההומניטרי בצפון הרצועה שנמצאת בשליטה מלאה של ישראל 3 חודשים). שמותיהם של נתניהו ושרי ממשלת החורבן (כולל המחנה הממלכתי) יקשרו בדמויות כמו צ'ארלס טיילור וסלובודן מילושביץ.

הנשיא ביידן עם הגב לקיר. הבחירות מעבר לפינה. כמו ששלח את נושאות המטוסים כדי להגן על ישראל מאויבינו, כך ישלח את נושאות המטוסים המדיניות להגן על האיזור.

אקוניס, עצה מחבר: תישאר בארץ, חבל לטלטל את הילדים לכמה חודשים.
עצה לשאר חברי ממשלת החורבן: קחו עורכי דין. עדר הפילים האמריקאי עומד לדרוס אתכם וזה יהיה מאוד מאוד כואב.

ואנחנו, הישראלים?
אנחנו חייבים לצאת לרחובות ולהרעיד את המדינה. האמריקאים יודעים היטב שאנחנו הקורבן של ממשלת החורבן, אבל גם אנחנו, נישפט בראי ההיסטוריה - האם עשינו הכל, אבל הכל כדי למנוע את פשעי נתניהו וממשלתו??
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After five months, the fur fell in the United States. Tonight I heard from a source very close to President Biden things that I never believed I would hear in my life.

Kidnappers dying in Hamas tunnels on the one hand and children dying of malnutrition on the other is not something the United States can be a part of.

Netanyahu promised them that the war would end in early January and he lied.
Netanyahu promised that he would release the abductees, that he would bring victory in the south and the north and lied, and lied, and lied.

Gantz also disappointed - he said he could be trusted and failed again and again.
This week Gantz received a very stern warning in Washington - I hope he was able to understand the threat from the polite smiles.

According to my sources, very soon we will see the United States pass a resolution for a ceasefire in the Security Council (without conditions). We may see American food ships landing on the shores of Gaza very soon.
In the next step, Israeli government ministers will be accused of war crimes (due to the humanitarian disaster in the northern Gaza Strip, which has been under Israel's full control for 3 months). The names of Netanyahu and the ministers of the destruction government (including the state camp) will be associated with figures such as Charles Taylor and Slobodan Milosevic.

President Biden has his back against the wall. The elections are around the corner. Just as he sent the aircraft carriers to protect Israel from our enemies, so will he send the policy aircraft carriers to protect the region.

Akunis, advice from a friend: stay in Israel, it's a shame to shake the children for a few months.
Advice to the rest of the government of destruction: get lawyers. The herd of American elephants is about to run over you and it will be very, very painful.

And us, the Israelis?
We must go to the streets and shake the country. The Americans know very well that we are the victim of the destruction government, but we too, will be judged in the mirror of history - did we do everything, but everything to prevent the crimes of Netanyahu and his government??"

Take it with a grain of salt, but hopefully there's a sliver of hope.

It's not altruism, the power hungry faction who want to retain Biden's presidency will have calculated that there's a likelihood that the election in November would coincide with pictures of Palestinian bodies being recovered from the wreckage or with Netanyahu's inability for restraint an escalation in the region and dead US soldiers. Both if which the general American public will not accept or support.

https://x.com/AmiDror/status/1765446895692882356?s=20

Efacsen · 07/03/2024 07:14

Well done SA for following this up

Interestingly, the number of aid trucks passing into Gaza yesterday shot up to 250 and talk of using an Israeli military road in Israel/an additional crossing into northern Gaza

Keep it up please Israel

AdamRyan · 07/03/2024 18:44

BelleHathor · 06/03/2024 23:44

Interesting Tweet (reposted by a pro Palestinian journalist I follow). It's by an Israeli who claims to have heard it from someone in Bidens administration. It was in Hebrew so I've translated it to English:
https://x.com/AmiDror/status/1765446895692882356?s=20
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Ami Dror 🇮🇱 עמי דרור
@AmiDror
אחרי חמישה חודשים, בארצות הברית נפל הפור. הערב שמעתי ממקור מאוד קרוב לנשיא ביידן דברים שלא האמנתי שאשמע בחיי.

חטופות וחטופים הנמקים במנהרות החמאס מצד אחד וילדים וילדות המתים מתת תזונה מהצד שני זה לא משהו שארצות הברית יכולה להיות שותפה לו.

נתניהו הבטיח להם שהמלחמה תסתיים בתחילת ינואר ושיקר.
נתניהו הבטיח שישחרר את החטופים, שיביא ניצחון בדרום ובצפון ושיקר, ושיקר ושיקר.

גם גנץ איכזב - סיפר שאפשר לסמוך עליו וכשל שוב ושוב.
השבוע גנץ קיבל הזהרה חמורה מאוד בוושינגטון - אני מקווה שהוא הצליח להבין את האיום מבין החיוכים המנומסים.

לפי המקורות שלי, בקרוב מאוד נראה את ארצות הברית מעבירה החלטה להפסקת אש במועצת הביטחון (ללא תנאים). יכול להיות שנראה ספינות מזון אמריקאיות נוחתות על חופי עזה ממש בקרוב.
בשלב הבא שרי ממשלת ישראל יואשמו בפשעי מלחמה (בשל האסון ההומניטרי בצפון הרצועה שנמצאת בשליטה מלאה של ישראל 3 חודשים). שמותיהם של נתניהו ושרי ממשלת החורבן (כולל המחנה הממלכתי) יקשרו בדמויות כמו צ'ארלס טיילור וסלובודן מילושביץ.

הנשיא ביידן עם הגב לקיר. הבחירות מעבר לפינה. כמו ששלח את נושאות המטוסים כדי להגן על ישראל מאויבינו, כך ישלח את נושאות המטוסים המדיניות להגן על האיזור.

אקוניס, עצה מחבר: תישאר בארץ, חבל לטלטל את הילדים לכמה חודשים.
עצה לשאר חברי ממשלת החורבן: קחו עורכי דין. עדר הפילים האמריקאי עומד לדרוס אתכם וזה יהיה מאוד מאוד כואב.

ואנחנו, הישראלים?
אנחנו חייבים לצאת לרחובות ולהרעיד את המדינה. האמריקאים יודעים היטב שאנחנו הקורבן של ממשלת החורבן, אבל גם אנחנו, נישפט בראי ההיסטוריה - האם עשינו הכל, אבל הכל כדי למנוע את פשעי נתניהו וממשלתו??
Translated from Hebrew by
After five months, the fur fell in the United States. Tonight I heard from a source very close to President Biden things that I never believed I would hear in my life.

Kidnappers dying in Hamas tunnels on the one hand and children dying of malnutrition on the other is not something the United States can be a part of.

Netanyahu promised them that the war would end in early January and he lied.
Netanyahu promised that he would release the abductees, that he would bring victory in the south and the north and lied, and lied, and lied.

Gantz also disappointed - he said he could be trusted and failed again and again.
This week Gantz received a very stern warning in Washington - I hope he was able to understand the threat from the polite smiles.

According to my sources, very soon we will see the United States pass a resolution for a ceasefire in the Security Council (without conditions). We may see American food ships landing on the shores of Gaza very soon.
In the next step, Israeli government ministers will be accused of war crimes (due to the humanitarian disaster in the northern Gaza Strip, which has been under Israel's full control for 3 months). The names of Netanyahu and the ministers of the destruction government (including the state camp) will be associated with figures such as Charles Taylor and Slobodan Milosevic.

President Biden has his back against the wall. The elections are around the corner. Just as he sent the aircraft carriers to protect Israel from our enemies, so will he send the policy aircraft carriers to protect the region.

Akunis, advice from a friend: stay in Israel, it's a shame to shake the children for a few months.
Advice to the rest of the government of destruction: get lawyers. The herd of American elephants is about to run over you and it will be very, very painful.

And us, the Israelis?
We must go to the streets and shake the country. The Americans know very well that we are the victim of the destruction government, but we too, will be judged in the mirror of history - did we do everything, but everything to prevent the crimes of Netanyahu and his government??"

Take it with a grain of salt, but hopefully there's a sliver of hope.

It's not altruism, the power hungry faction who want to retain Biden's presidency will have calculated that there's a likelihood that the election in November would coincide with pictures of Palestinian bodies being recovered from the wreckage or with Netanyahu's inability for restraint an escalation in the region and dead US soldiers. Both if which the general American public will not accept or support.

Edited

Looks like it might be accurate

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-68506356

EasterIssland · 08/03/2024 21:06

Thanks @anotherlevel

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 09:03

Well spotted @anotherlevel so the 'progress report' was submitted but is confidential and not for general release

anotherlevel · 09/03/2024 10:11

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 09:03

Well spotted @anotherlevel so the 'progress report' was submitted but is confidential and not for general release

A pro Israeli poster on another thread mentioned it and found no further action needed apparently.

It makes you wonder why they haven't published it doesn't it.

Efacsen · 09/03/2024 10:49

anotherlevel · 09/03/2024 10:11

A pro Israeli poster on another thread mentioned it and found no further action needed apparently.

It makes you wonder why they haven't published it doesn't it.

Indeed on both counts

PeasfullPerson · 09/03/2024 19:49

This stinks!