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Conflict in the Middle East

Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!

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noblegiraffe · 14/01/2024 21:40

"Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!" was being chanted on the streets of London yesterday and last week.

I'm just interested in whether people think this is a reasonable thing to be chanting or not, because there were quite a few people chanting it. So a quick poll:

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roarrfeckingroar · 17/01/2024 10:13

@WhatsTheUseOfWorrying very well said

etmoiandme · 17/01/2024 10:48

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 17/01/2024 10:04

It’s not too difficult to wrap up the present situation in a rough but accurate summary: the marchers and chanters opposing Israel (and US, UK and EU policy on Israel) or supporting the Houthis, or both, are far left and/or antisemites. The number of reasonable people who genuinely aren’t antisemites but have got caught up in this cause is small. They tend not to march and do take a more balanced view about Israeli rights to existence and self-defence.

At the root of the coordinated obsessive anti-Israel movement is hatred of the US, because it’s capitalist. At the root of the looser (and bigger) anti-Israel tendency is suspicion of Jews or just plain Jew hatred. Unfortunately both groups end up antisemites. It helps with maintaining the common cause. Sadly, the antisemites span the political continuum, though I think it’s fair to say there are quite a number of ‘soft left’ ‘progressives’ among them.

It’s farcical that anyone should argue that their opponents only care about Yemen when it suits. It’s the whole worldview of the fixated anti-Israel campaigners that no other conflict really matters.

”Yemen, Yemen (or at least that bit controlled by bloodthirsty terrorists), make us proud, give us another thing to chant about as we display our antisemitism.”

(Their chant doesn’t rhyme, why should mine?)

though I think it’s fair to say there are quite a number of ‘soft left’ ‘progressives’ among them.

Folk that identify as 'soft Labour' who have shown undisguised hostility towards Jews over the last few months are the only ones that have surprised me a bit. It's not their style to buy into the entrenched anti-imperialist discourse or conspiracy theory and they won't have any time for the nascent Houthi-love, so they basically just harbour prejudice against Jews.

1dayatatime · 17/01/2024 10:54

@etmoiandme

"There just doesn't seem to be any effective way to counter this shit and it feels like the horse has truly bolted - the support these people have for the Houthis is blowing my mind."

"It feels so dangerous and close to a tipping point."

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Very well summarised (much better than my ramblings trying to put across the same point!).

This is what is starting to really worry as the views of the useful idiots and conspiracy theories become mainstream such as through the BBC.

Scary times.

etmoiandme · 17/01/2024 11:13

@1dayatatime Oh gosh no, your posts are not ramblings at all and I sometimes do a silent cheer when I see you turning up on threads that are obviously going down a shouty rabbit hole. Facts with some measure and balance is what these threads need and a bit less pro this and pro that. And yes, that it appears to be going mainstream is making me feel quite fearful (very fearful actually) as someone Jewish.

1dayatatime · 17/01/2024 13:21

@etmoiandme

That's very kind of you but honestly my posts can be quite rambly especially the ones late at night!

@noblegiraffe has (kindly) pointed this out on other topics especially ones where we are in disagreement 😀

etmoiandme · 17/01/2024 13:29

@1dayatatime Ah, @noblegiraffe is also a welcome presence around these threads!

1dayatatime · 17/01/2024 13:34

@etmoiandme

Not when we are disagreeing she isn't 😀

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/01/2024 13:45

I really don’t understand the unconditional support for organisations and movements which are, to put it mildly, not women’s rights friendly and the minimising of sexual violence.

I suspect there is some misdirected romanticism there, but I don’t really want to delve into armchair psychology.

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 13:50

1dayatatime · 17/01/2024 13:34

@etmoiandme

Not when we are disagreeing she isn't 😀

Can’t be me, I never disagree with anyone.

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noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 13:53

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/01/2024 13:45

I really don’t understand the unconditional support for organisations and movements which are, to put it mildly, not women’s rights friendly and the minimising of sexual violence.

I suspect there is some misdirected romanticism there, but I don’t really want to delve into armchair psychology.

I think they decide who the goodies and baddies are first, then have to rationalise that position by e.g. saying what happened in Yemen was the fault of the West, or the Houthis are only attacking Israeli ships or by saying that there’s no evidence Hamas raped anyone on October 7th.

And when you have decided that Israel are the baddies, when you really dig in that’s when you end up denying the Holocaust.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 17/01/2024 14:54

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 13:53

I think they decide who the goodies and baddies are first, then have to rationalise that position by e.g. saying what happened in Yemen was the fault of the West, or the Houthis are only attacking Israeli ships or by saying that there’s no evidence Hamas raped anyone on October 7th.

And when you have decided that Israel are the baddies, when you really dig in that’s when you end up denying the Holocaust.

I think it might also have to do with the eternal pull the “bad”boys have over the “good” girl.

Trulywonderful · 17/01/2024 21:06

Speechless at this fuckwittery

Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!
Humdingerydoo · 17/01/2024 21:13

Trulywonderful · 17/01/2024 21:06

Speechless at this fuckwittery

We all know how much certain people have recently taken to the word "context".

Anyway, surely a country where slavery is a big issue would be an apartheid state?

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 21:18

Of course slavery is now fine that the predetermined 'good guys' are doing it.

Everything bad the Houthis have done will now be up for justification. Or denial.

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Oceania108 · 17/01/2024 21:22

Vandalising ATM cash machines ,chanting slogan will not fix the problem. Whoever supports chanting slogans/vandalising - sincerely move to Gaza/Yemen do volunteering fix their problems support their brothers and sisters in that situation, that will be the real help. Not shouting slogan on roads ! Please go, there are many flights to Egypt !😊

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 21:30

This video of a guy being asked what a socialist intifada means certainly raises the hope that the people chanting support for the Houthis don't actually know anything about the Houthis.

https://x.com/archrose90/status/1747640890770792544?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

https://x.com/archrose90/status/1747640890770792544?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

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Oceania108 · 17/01/2024 21:39

UK - freedom of speech easily taken for granted, not only speech but many things taken for granted! So unfortunate 😑

Can any British/Eu common man/woman chant such slogans, be it any slogans ... in Dubai/Saudi./Kuwait/Tehran.. just think !!! Nearly Impossible.

Example : Dubai does not even have the system of settlement/PR status or any such for outsiders to settle permanently! As long as one has work, he or she can live and earn. No job, no money they will cancel your Visa.
Very strong rules and they don't welcome asylums in spite of the same community/religion, still they don't allow.
I think these slogan chanters should move to Middle east , it might help Yemen and other controversial countries where fighting is forever.

Sorry, no offense its just my opinion 🙏

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 21:59

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 21:18

Of course slavery is now fine that the predetermined 'good guys' are doing it.

Everything bad the Houthis have done will now be up for justification. Or denial.

And on that note: Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy) is here claiming that the October 7th massacre was organised by the Israeli government and committed by the IDF who made it look like Hamas did it.

This was a false flag operation to justify their invasion of Gaza.

Because Hamas are the predetermined good guys therefore they wouldn't do massacres like that.

https://x.com/heidibachram/status/1747689889431241159?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

https://x.com/heidibachram/status/1747689889431241159?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

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stomachameleon · 17/01/2024 22:19

@noblegiraffe I don't know how anyone can say things like that. He is the most belligerent liar and waste of space.

Trulywonderful · 17/01/2024 22:39

Anyone else wish that mother Cobyn had chosen to remain childless?

WhatsTheUseOfWorrying · 17/01/2024 23:08

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 21:59

And on that note: Piers Corbyn (brother of Jeremy) is here claiming that the October 7th massacre was organised by the Israeli government and committed by the IDF who made it look like Hamas did it.

This was a false flag operation to justify their invasion of Gaza.

Because Hamas are the predetermined good guys therefore they wouldn't do massacres like that.

https://x.com/heidibachram/status/1747689889431241159?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

As Heidi B says in her tweet, the ‘pro-Palestinian’ campaign is swimming in loathsome antisemitic conspiracy theory. Once one adds in campaigners’ credulous belief in everything said by Hamas, the bone-headed nastiness is complete. The shade of Julius Streicher is smiling.

stomachameleon · 17/01/2024 23:16

@Trulywonderful that made me chuckle...

Trulywonderful · 17/01/2024 23:54

stomachameleon · 17/01/2024 23:16

@Trulywonderful that made me chuckle...

It was way more funny and outrageous originally but I edited it because they would have probably deleted the post

😁

Trulywonderful · 17/01/2024 23:59

noblegiraffe · 17/01/2024 13:50

Can’t be me, I never disagree with anyone.

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Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!
Trulywonderful · 18/01/2024 00:07

1dayatatime · 17/01/2024 13:34

@etmoiandme

Not when we are disagreeing she isn't 😀

One of the best people on here to disagree with

I may start posting in support of the Houthis just for the fun of a good argument with Giraffe 😁

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