Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!

[noblegiraffe]

"Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!" was being chanted on the streets of London yesterday and last week.

I'm just interested in whether people think this is a reasonable thing to be chanting or not, because there were quite a few people chanting it. So a quick poll:

Yes, Stop the War. Absolute idiots.

this is my last post about TT, it’s quite draining!

Truly I’m really not the one who brought up TikTok changing people’s mind argument,
so no idea why I’m being quoted about it,

as a parent I’m well aware of all these challanges, just last week DD asked for Instagram and we flatly said no , it’s non negotiable for us, if other parents are ok with It , then its their responsibility and no one else’s. That’s my view on the whole matter,

Are you aware of the phrase 'falling down a rabbit hole'?

Do you know how conspiracy theories suck you in?
People have always been into those sort of things.
what’s the other alternative ? censoring all SM because gullible people are easily influenced ?

Fascinating that you dodged my question about Cambridge Analytica, perhaps because it demonstrates quite nicely that bad faith actors seek to influence opinion by targeted social media presence.

People have always been into those sort of things.

And now social media is primed to serve it up on a plate. I'm pretty sure I'd have been unaware of Meghan Markle's fake baby if twitter hadn't decided that's what I needed to be repeatedly exposed to.

what’s the other alternative ? censoring all SM because gullible people are easily influenced?

That's literally what you do with your kids. You seem to get that kids are susceptible but think that only 'gullible' adults are. Mate, you are an advertiser's dream.

Anyway, there are other alternatives. Working to close down the Russian bot farms. Banning bad faith actors. YouTube I think had to amend their algorithm to demote conspiracy theory videos. And of course, it would help if people were actually aware of what is going on instead of denying it.

Before people go marching with Houthi banners, perhaps they should be encouraged to take a look outside their echo chamber. Not only follow people that they agree with.

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Tap on the image to read the whole brainwashing thing

Wow, what a fucked up and vile interpretation of things.

Now Kevin from the Northamptonshire Palestinian Solidarity Campaign is a really good example of a bad faith actor. And he cleverly does this in what appears to be a reasonable structured manner based on outright lies and appealing to people's other grievances in order to sympathise with his views

Now to start you will certainly have a large number of people in the UK who are shocked by the images of death and destruction in Gaza particularly of young children. This is Kevin's target audience.

He begins with a false statement that the reason the US and the UK (which he emotively describes as a client state) attacked the Houthi was to protect Israel "right to commit crimes against humanity". No mention of keeping the shipping lanes open to commerce vital to the Western economies and avoiding inflation.

There is then an emotive appeal to the uninformed that surely all those millions spent on bombing the Houthis could be used for the NHS, schools etc. Ignoring the fact that if the UK economy suffers and inflation rises then those same hospitals and schools would be financially much worse off.

He then tries to personalise it by saying Rishi Sunak (who is an unpopular PM right now) wants to extend the agony on Palestinians. Now this is targeted at people who don't like Sunak for a variety of reasons and would therefore be inclined to believe anything bad said about him.

It is cleverly written and incredibly dangerous being designed to influence ordinary citizens to support a rebel group attacking shipping of all nationalities in order to gain "jihadi popularity points" in the region y being attacked by the US and to a bring economic pressure on the West.

What is very scary is that there are also a lot of Kevin's out there influencing people with their poisonous self hatred of the West.

@1dayatatime

Thank you for your response. My questions were actually for Queen since she was jumping around all over the place without making any particular points. Telling me and others what we thought and what a particular narrative meant etc 🙄

I've seen people share articles written by individuals such as Kevin presenting them as fact. Suggesting that is doing 'their own research' and not following MSM like 'the sheeples'. They really believe they are 'researching'. Delusional.

Good interpretation, @1dayatatime
He also says that we have attacked Yemen. We can see that he is trying to spin it as 'bombing Yemen' and 'killing people' i.e. something a lot more random than targeted military equipment. Someone was doing the same upthread when they suggested we wanted to turn Yemen into another Gaza.

Describing it as a 'selective blockade' and comparing it to trade sanctions while not actually mentioning that it is not sanctioning Israel, but hijacking random ships is also seeking to give it legitimacy.

And it's a lie that the Houthis have just asked for aid to Gaza as a condition of lifting the blockade.

@noblegiraffe
@XRAYTHIS

But you can see how a lot of people would easily fall for Kevin's spin and lies.

There is no longer any fact based argument or counter arguments just emotional conviction with a good dollop of conspiracy theory where I'm right and you are wrong and if you come at me with a fact based counter argument then I will dismiss your facts as fake or Government lies.

I will up the ante with emotion "so you are happy to see innocent babies die", add in some buzzwords (genocide, racism, colonialism, apartheid, nazism, fascism, ethnic cleansing etc) and finally just shouting / protesting louder and intimidating any opposing views.

It really is worrying times and reminiscent of the 1930s.

It is basically the bit this is my 'truth' argument

Nothing is based in the facts of what happened or is happening but apparently some feel everyone else is horrific and a monster for pointing this out. Plus a shed load of people will buy into this 'truth' they yell because for various reasons they want it to be true or it helps them make some sort of sense of a senseless world etc

"The Greek-owned bulk carrier Zografia was sailing from Vietnam to Israel when it was struck on Tuesday. It is said to have suffered only minor damage.

The Houthis say they are attacking vessels that are Israeli-owned or operated, or are heading to Israeli ports. However, many of the ships targeted have no connections with Israel."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67992600

"The US said on Tuesday that it had seized advanced Iranian weapons that were being transported to the Houthis. The operation took place five days ago.
The material found onboard a sailboat included components for ballistic and cruise missiles, among them warheads and guidance systems. Parts for air defence equipment were also seized.
The US military said initial analysis indicated the Houthis had been using the same kinds of weapons in attacks against commercial shipping in the Red Sea.

"This is the first seizure of lethal, Iranian-supplied advanced conventional weapons (ACW) to the Houthis since the beginning of Houthi attacks against merchant ships in November," US Central Command said in a statement."

"We are not looking for regional conflict, far from it. Through a combination of steady deterrence and steadfast diplomacy, we seek to stop the spread of conflict and to create the conditions for de-escalation," National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan said. But he added that much would depend on Iran and its support for the militants.

This is interesting because Iran is not only supporting and funding if not in control of Hamas Houthis and Hezbollah. All of which are firing rockets at Israel or at shipping in the Red Sea. Not to mention the highjacking that has happened. They have know bombed Iraq claiming this was to do with Israel. However they just bombed Syria and Pakistan too. For these two the claim seems to be they have bombed terrorists, Sunnis

However despite all this apparently it is the west causing problems in the middle east. Even allowing for old conflict history Iran is causing a lot of trouble in the middle east.

There just doesn't seem to be any effective way to counter this shit and it feels like the horse has truly bolted - the support these people have for the Houthis is blowing my mind. The more that facts are presented, the more their resolve is strengthened to shout louder, and contort the reality further. And anyone with a decent-sized platform to counter it is just dismissed as being on the pay roll of Israel or the US. Their arguments are impenetrable and it's futile even trying to reason with it.

They go on about Zionist puppet masters but the real puppet masters are folks like comrade Kevin for the Northampton PSG, state-run media and their shills, or individual twats like OJ with monetised media channels and absolutely massive followings. So they whip their band of foot soldiers into a frenzy and off they go, shouting at sick children through hospital windows, marching for the bloody Houthis or spreading blacklists of Jewish authors on Twitter. It feels so dangerous and close to a tipping point.

This.

They are described as useful idiots because they are dancing to a tune although they actually feel they are doing something for the Palestinian people. They aren't, they are supporting terrorists such as the Houthis who grow more emboldened when they hear of the useful idiots in the west dancing to their tune.

the support these people have for the Houthis is blowing my mind

If it’s any consolation, only 6% in the poll think that it’s reasonsable to support the Houthis which is probably fewer than those who think the moon landings were fake.

An interesting question is whether Kevin Johnstone of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign actually believes what he has written or whether he knows that he is lying and twisting the truth?

I’m quite willing to believe that many chanting on the streets in response to a loudhailer are just being sheep, but presumably if Kevin posts on social media rather than just consuming it, he will have had some pushback to his idea that the Houthis are merely doing good works.

What has he done with that information?

An interesting question is whether Kevin Johnstone of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign actually believes what he has written or whether he knows that he is lying and twisting the truth?

I think a lot of them know they're lying or at least massively flexing the truth, but they must know they're blatantly ignoring the reality that actually the Houthis are responsible for death, slavery and rape. A lot of them are clearly being funded in some way, so they have an impetus to push their narrative however ludicrous that narrative is. Someone like David Miller a good case in point with the ridiculous chicken soup episode. https://cst.org.uk/news/blog/2022/08/22/the-faith-washing-anti-jewish-libel

I also think a lot of their 'sheep' probably don't actually know any Jewish people and to them Jews or Zionists are just this mythical and faceless entity, which makes it more palatable for them to accept we're the pantomime villains.

(Sorry, getting off track from Yemen and the Houthis here)

It’s not too difficult to wrap up the present situation in a rough but accurate summary: the marchers and chanters opposing Israel (and US, UK and EU policy on Israel) or supporting the Houthis, or both, are far left and/or antisemites. The number of reasonable people who genuinely aren’t antisemites but have got caught up in this cause is small. They tend not to march and do take a more balanced view about Israeli rights to existence and self-defence.

At the root of the coordinated obsessive anti-Israel movement is hatred of the US, because it’s capitalist. At the root of the looser (and bigger) anti-Israel tendency is suspicion of Jews or just plain Jew hatred. Unfortunately both groups end up antisemites. It helps with maintaining the common cause. Sadly, the antisemites span the political continuum, though I think it’s fair to say there are quite a number of ‘soft left’ ‘progressives’ among them.

It’s farcical that anyone should argue that their opponents only care about Yemen when it suits. It’s the whole worldview of the fixated anti-Israel campaigners that no other conflict really matters.

”Yemen, Yemen (or at least that bit controlled by bloodthirsty terrorists), make us proud, give us another thing to chant about as we display our antisemitism.”

(Their chant doesn’t rhyme, why should mine?)

Are we not allowed to acknowledge that hostages now @mnhq ? This is really sinister.

Indeed.

Sad that there appears to be growing support for various Islamic terrorist groups here