Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!

[noblegiraffe]

"Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!" was being chanted on the streets of London yesterday and last week.

I'm just interested in whether people think this is a reasonable thing to be chanting or not, because there were quite a few people chanting it. So a quick poll:

Wow. You don’t think there are any bad faith actors on the internet seeking to influence others?

And you’re claiming my argument is ridiculous?

Gosh, Im sorry but I feel I’m wasting my energy arguing with someone who believes watching TikTok is whats wrong with world.
congratulations , you’ve been conditioned .

I didn't say that TikTok was what's wrong with the world.

But I'm genuinely astonished to find someone who thinks that actually it's fine and there's nothing to worry about there (while of course not having it themselves, or their children having it).

I’m aware of the dangers of SM on pre teens and teens, that’s why they don’t have it , but if a young adult is easily influenced it’s not the Apps fault ,

What do you think of these points @queenofarles . You seem to randomly jump around making vague comments that others address and then flip flopping all-over the place.

What points are you actually making? Do you feel cheering on the Houthis terrorist attacks on boats is good?

Oh FFS these things are designed that way. You are aware of the algorithms that feed you more and more extreme content?

Not just TikTok of course. I was on twitter the other day and saw a post that suggested Meghan Markle's baby was fake which I clicked on out of WTF. Now my 'for you' feed is full of shite about Meghan's fake baby.

XRAYTHIS

who said cheering the Houthis is good? It’s the whole notion of cherry picking only when it suits your narrative , not them.
you are outraged because the Houthis <, and I’m against the disruption it’s causing in the Red Sea>
are doing this as retaliation for what’s happening in Gaza. That’s all there is to it.

I don’t remember anyone being that concerned about the Yemenis till now .
the humanitarian crisis is not nothing new to them.

The Yemeni civil war (Sunni v Shia factions) destroyed the country and its economy. BIL spent six months in Sana'a (the capital) in the mid-80s and it was an archaeological and architectural treasure, worthy of world Heritage status. It has been reduced to rubble.

The current Houthi attacks on shipping lanes are being directed by their Iranian paymasters and quartermasters. Claiming that their actions are in support of Gaza? I don't believe a word of it. The Islamic extremist faction that now lives in the UK is being manipulated and played as puppets.

I asked if YOU thought it was good. I never said it's good.

Cherry picking to suit my narrative. I never support terrorists so I don't do that. You assume you know my narrative. Bizarre. Speak for yourself only and stop trying to guess what others think.

You have shown you are unable to answer any questions. Guess what others are thinking and make presumptions. Again, bizarre.

You have an unusual way of flip flopping around a subject and telling others what you think they are thinking.

I made the point that Yemenis are suffering and have done so for many years. Yet idiots in the west, cheer on the Houthis who started a civil war resulting in 150,000 deaths and the a further 270,000 plus from starvation. In case you gave forgotten, the thread title was discussing the chants supporting the Houthis.....

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Yet it seems you still cant comprehend that I’m not supporting them nor am I cheering them on. Ive made it clear many times. its the whole idea of "just when it suits us" narrative that i find so hypocritical here , I’ve made clear in my first post,
you want me to engage with you in a subject you clearly know very little about? Sorry I won’t .

so let’s not take it any further as it seems we are looking at it from different perspectives.

@queenofarles

you want me to engage with you in a subject you clearly know very little about?

Sorry what subject?

I do think you are incredibly Naive about the role of social media in all this.

stomachameleon sorry that’s a reply to XRayThis Yemens war argument,

I do think you are incredibly Naive about the role of social media in all this
thats your opinion and it’s fine by me. I clearly don’t see it this way. There are factors that should be taken into consideration when saying something like TK is changing people’s minds.

There are factors that should be taken into consideration when saying something like TK is changing people’s minds.

But you don't appear to be posting any of them.

MSM = bad and full of brainwashed sheep
TikTok = I don't see a problem with it 👍🏻

Well yes, suggesting that I've been 'conditioned' and 'should stop listening to the likes of....' does rather suggest that @queenofarles thinks that other things can change people's minds. Just not TikToks.

I don't have a just when it suits narrative.

I actually have studied the history of Yeman a fair amount.

You say lots without saying anything much in your posts apart from disparage others. Having the tendency to disparage some but not Tik Toc. I've unfortunately seen the effects of Tic Tok on vulnerable teenagers.

Don’t you follow people that you agree with Noble?

writers , academics , researchers , public figures etc.. don’t you watch their interviews , read their articles , books?
, Nikki Hayley , who is everywhere at the moment , and I’m pretty sure you heard of, shares pretty much the same sentiments you have towards TikTok
thats completely different to saying TT is changing people’s mind because a document that can be accessed freely online is shared and discussed by strangers online.

unfortunately seen the effects of Tic Tok on vulnerable teenagers.
I know and it’s awful , then again it’s not the Apps fault, parents or guardians are to blame in this case.
It really feels like going around in circles here,

Never seen anyone defend TikTok this much before in my life.

If it's solely the fault of parents or guardians that people think things on TikTok represent The Truth, how do you explain the amount of adults on it who are also willingly spreading the same utter shit?

Don’t you follow people that you agree with Noble?

I follow a whole bunch of people, many of whom I disagree with. I can have my feed looking at the same thing and have comments saying 'this is great' and 'this is terrible. I really try to avoid an echo chamber.

Nikki Hayley , who is everywhere at the moment , and I’m pretty sure you heard of, shares pretty much the same sentiments you have towards TikTok

Nope. Looked her up and tbh I'm not much interested in US politics. But I wouldn't need some American to tell me about how social media works, having used it myself.

thats completely different to saying TT is changing people’s mind because a document that can be accessed freely online is shared and discussed by strangers online.

I don't think you have any idea of how this works.

Are you aware of the Cambridge Analytica scandal and how it was used to target political advertising, for example?

Are you aware of the phrase 'falling down a rabbit hole'?

Do you know how conspiracy theories suck you in?

Do you know how platforms like TikTok enable this sort of thing?

@XRAYTHIS

"What do you think of these points @queenofarles . You seem to randomly jump around making vague comments that others address and then flip flopping all-over the place.

What points are you actually making? Do you feel cheering on the Houthis terrorist attacks on boats is good?"

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Fair point that my comments do jump around and it's true I have been dipping in and out as I haven't had the time to follow it and structure my points as I would have liked to do. But I can see how that can be confusing.

Regarding the Houthis, you have a rebel group that has actively been attacking ships initially those destined for Israel and subsequently any ships (including Royal Navy). The impact of this is to disrupt trade to the West causing economic damage and inflation.

This in turn makes them a perfectly legitimate target for US and UK military. That said from a military perspective I genuinely don't think attacking Houthis with multi million dollar missiles will achieve much other than re arranging some sand. The Houthis are using $25k drones that can be assembled in some one's garage and the attacks by the US and UK will do little to stop that.

In fact the Houthis actually want to be attacked by the UK and US as it boosts their standing and following, much like how Hamas actually wanted for Israel to retaliate.

What I do find particularly worrying is the massive growth of anti Western critics based in the West often of the hard left who blame all the ills of the world on the West. Whether that be going on protests in London supporting Palestine which lets be honest is not going to change Israeli actions but will intimidate UK Jewish and non Jewish people.

They think they are edgy or cool with their self flagellation but as @noblegiraffe correctly points out their uneducated, ill informed and conspiracy theory prone attitudes are often and easily manipulated by countries and organisations who are actively working towards the downfall of Western values of free speech, democracy and capitalism.

I will finish with a good quote by Douglas Murray in "The war on the West"

"But no greater threat exists than that which comes from people inside the West intent on pulling apart the fabric of our societies, piece by piece. "

I hope that clarifies my views.

Sorry but between this post and :

"completely different to saying TT is changing people’s mind because a document that can be accessed freely online is shared and discussed by strangers online."

You seem to be one of the most muddled up posters we have had for a bit. So let's try this again:

TikTok does not have magic powers to change peoples minds. Nobody has said that it does. What people are saying is the bad faith actors for various reasons use TikTok to promote iffy agendas

I am really hoping you understand this now, partly because this is a stupid conversation that is starting to go in circles, partly because this is derailing a thread and partly because you are a parent and need to know this stuff to protect your own children. Yes they are not on Tiktok you said, even though you think Tiktok is safe! However other forms of social media are similar even though currently Tiktok is probably the most popular too youth so most dangerous

What I do find particularly worrying is the massive growth of anti Western critics based in the West often of the hard left who blame all the ills of the world on the West.

I remember when Russia invaded Ukraine and the left jumped to blame it on NATO. It was absolutely astonishing.

I'm also reminded of when Jeremy Corbyn suggested that we should give the Novichok sample to Russia so they could tell us whether they were responsible for the Salisbury poisonings or not. And when Assad gassed his own people, that we should reserve judgement because maybe they gassed themselves.

But then easily jumping to condemn any actions with far less evidence when it was potentially perpetrated by 'the West' (e.g. the bombing of that hospital in Gaza).

@noblegiraffe
I remember when Russia invaded Ukraine and the left jumped to blame it on NATO. It was absolutely astonishing.

IIRC this was StWC official position wasn't it?