Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!

[noblegiraffe]

"Yemen, Yemen make us proud, turn another ship around!" was being chanted on the streets of London yesterday and last week.

I'm just interested in whether people think this is a reasonable thing to be chanting or not, because there were quite a few people chanting it. So a quick poll:

@XRAYTHIS

"By disruption to boats they will stop their own people being fed.

The people chanting appear to ignore all that. WHY?"

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Two reasons really:

1. a lack of understanding, education or ability to join up the dots.
2. they genuinely don't care about ordinary Yemenis not getting aid, what they care about is an opportunity for self hate of Western values, whilst conveniently forgetting that it is those same Western values that allows them to freely express their opinions and to improve their standard of living.

The Houthis have managed to kill over 150,000 in their civil war and a further 270,000 plus in resultant hunger etc.
And who do you think is responsible ? Hint it’s not the houthis, there was a land sea and air embargo on Houthi controlled area by coalition forces , So little aid was allowed to enter.
it was nothing but a repeat of the Vietnam war.

Who do you think is responsible?

You’re asking why people care more when it is something that affects them? Well, duh, because it affects them.

it just shows fake moral and values ,
which can easily change depending on one’s interest.

you hate it , you find it appalling only when it doesn’t suit you , and yet you can’t take the time or effort to truly understand the root cause of all of this.

, Every conflict in the Middle East and Africa is an accumulation of decades long conflicts, western intervention and manipulations.

Who do you think is responsible?
if you really don’t know the answer to this yourself , then you truly know nothing about the whole matter.

I'll give you a clue @queenofarles

The Shitte rebels, the Houthis, rose up against the Sunni government. Its been ongoing since 2014.

The Houthis aren't the fluffy men that the naive chanters think they are.

No one said the houthis are innocent or giant fluffy bears , 🤦🏼‍♀️.
the complexity of it all can’t be explained as black and white , good and bad.
there has always been a conflict in Yemen , in the 60s, 70s and back again in 90s between south and north.

Not just the Middle East is it? It is also not simply Western interventions either. What role has Russia played? I think they may object to being lumped in with The West.

But you appear to be trying to remove Middle Eastern countries’ free will, and abdicate all responsibility for their actions. That’s rather infantilising and I’m not sure they’d appreciate that either.

it just shows fake moral and values

Well yes, if you are appalled by the slaughter in Gaza but want to champion the sodding Houthis, that would be a great example of overlooking atrocities when it suits.

On this post you day the Houthis are not responsible for 150,000 deaths and subsequent starving of over 270,000 after the civil war.

Since they started the civil war against their government, and you don't think they were responsible for it, who was then.

@queenofarles

"Every conflict in the Middle East and Africa is an accumulation of decades long conflicts, western intervention and manipulations."

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I think this comment encapsulates the anti western or self hating anti western sentiment that wrapped up in conspiracy theories (on something they found on the internet) dominates this warped thinking.

That all ills in the world are the fault of Western countries. It conveniently ignores facts such as Western capitalism has lifted 1 billion people out of poverty since 2000 or that many who campaigned for Western intervention against Col. Gadaffi in Syria to prevent innocent civilians being killed, now criticise the West for intervening in the first place.

If Western values are so evil or flawed then why do thousands of migrants seek to find a better life in the US and Europe. Why don't we see thousands of migrants seeking to enter Iran or China or Russia?

At best they are misguided uneducated or indoctrinated who think they are being "edgy" or cool in criticising Western actions and when confronted with facts and evidence dismiss these as fake or they resort to whataboutery or they just shout louder because they simply do not have the intellectual capacity to offer a structured fact based counter argument.

At worst it is a deliberate attempt by bad actors to undermine Western values of freedom of speech, capitalism and democracy.

Ironically as such Western values are eroded then the replacement values or society we are seeing as a backlash is abhorrent to them for example Trump in the US or Orban in Hungary.

How is anyone else supposed to know who you think is responsible?

It’s not that hard to figure out eluveite
,there was a war led by a coalition consisting of most Arab countries with total support from US,Uk and France,
as time went on and some countries stopped their participation in the war , mercenaries < search spear group> were hired to fight in Yemen on behalf of countries like UAE, Sundanese mercenaries were recruited too fight in the war too,
why do you think that back in 2018 there was a ban on German arms exported to countries involved in the war in Yemen ?

I don't believe the intention of the vast majority is to intimidate or scare others and it is important to put things in to context. There have been 7 marches and the number of incidents/arrests a very low percentage considering the thousands in attendance at each protest.
If you attended or spoke yourself to the many 'everyday' people on the march you would realise they are there for the correct reasons and exercising their right to peacefully protest. Unfortunately it is the minority that make it to the daily mail headlines.

Of course it's had to figure out what your opinion is without you telling us.

To add to @1dayatatime ‘s post about anti-western values, it is worth noting that we are currently at war, a cyber war with countries who are not only delighted to see this anti-western sentiment on the streets of London, but who are actively whipping it up.

Russia famously have massive troll farms seeding discontent against western institutions (see Brexit). China owns TikTok which is successfully brainwashing the youth into hating the west.

If you don’t think that is true, look at the polls of the view American youth have of Osama bin Laden. Loads of them think he was a good guy. Where has that come from? That Letter to America TikTok wasn’t a fluke.

Someone commented on twitter recently that they were hearing a lot of positive comments about North Korea and so investigated TikTok and found a load of bilge being pushed about how well looked after North Koreans are, holiday, maternity that sort of thing. Not glued to their phones.

The hard left has always been anti-West and it’s now spreading. The government have no idea how to deal with this.

As this has been posted by the Leeds Palestine Solidarity group and I can imagine this is one of their protests, an investigation into their support of know terrorists surely???

Wow

noblegirrafe
First of all , i think you need to step away from listening to the likes of Nikki Hayley. TikTok is not brainwashing people’s minds.

Bin ladens letter to America was freely available online and was published by a the observer in 2002, and I’m pretty sure he’s not the first nor will be the last to say those things about western countries.

I can easily buy Mein Kampf on Amazon , does that mean reading it or talking about it makes me anti semitic ?
This is ridiculous ,

TikTok is not brainwashing people’s minds.

I don’t think you know what you are talking about.

I’ve no idea who Nikki Hayley is, by the way.

Bin ladens letter to America was freely available online and was published by a the observer in 2002, and I’m pretty sure he’s not the first nor will be the last to say those things about western countries.

Did you see the TikTok challenge about it? Have you seen the recent polling data about opinions of bin Laden?

TikTok is not brainwashing people’s minds

Anyone that believes Tiktok isn't a major influence on how many ( particularly young people ) digest or view things today is delusional. Yes dodgy things were available about various things before Tiktok even existed but that they were not being promoted as 'truths' in the way Tiktok users have portrayed them. At least not by many people.

Anyone that works with young people will tell you the massive effect Tiktok can have on some teenagers and young adults. To say Tiktok can't brainwash vulnerable young people is like saying Andrew Tate doesn't change the behaviour of his followers. Yes some people are not affected by his words and some others were always totally fuckwits. However some young men and teenagers are very vulnerable to his influence. I don't mean vulnerable children as is they are on our vulnerable list at school for other reasons. I mean they are just regular kids teenagers that for just don't understand his is a total nasty fuckwit, this is why they are vulnerable. The same goes for Tiktok, some people really will believe everything they see and hear.

I don’t have tiktok, neither do any of my kids ,
it seems the only place it’s changing people’s mind is in the US , no idea why 🙄

I read the letter when it was linked on X and on here , nothing out of the ordinary .

You believe it is only in the US that people are influenced by Tiktok???

What the young people here have some sort of immunity to it?

Go talk to the pastoral team at your child's school if they are teenagers. Ask them about the affect Tiktok and other social media platforms have on the students. About the issues it can cause and the influence it has on how they think about issues

I don’t have tiktok, neither do any of my kids

So you don’t know anything about it and yet you are confident that it’s all fine?

i really don’t think you are aware how ridiculous your argument is Noble
that’s the scary part.
I’ve seen TikTok testimony before congress , it was like blaming others for your own mistakes.
when 10 /11/12 year olds are doing challenges on TT it’s not TT’s fault , its the parents who have easily allowed their children to have it in the first place.

if young Americans suddenly find letter to America fascinating it really says more about their country’s recent policies and economic state .