WHY!!!

[Mrsmulhern]

Literally, just WHY!! Like I just don’t get war/conflict and when I’ve had conversations with people their answer is well, it’s because of something that happened years ago, or religion.

I mean why as human beings can we not just put an end to everything!! And if your answer is well we don’t want ‘terrorists’.. Literally 99 percent of humans do not want that either.
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I genuinely feel like I’m going insane, why is nobody questioning any war, anywhere?! WHAT does anyone have to be afraid of? People, like you and me are dying everywhere, all over the world and it’s ok with everyone.

I am genuinely curious as to reasons but I can’t see any. We’re on this planet for such a short time and people just blindly follow their ‘leader’.

Why can’t we just say no and stop it?!

Because there are a small number of people who control the world, and we are controlled by the media. Our opinions are manipulated so we don't question. They have manipulated the majority to accept the complete and utter horror of what the people of gaza are going through by saying that questioning is anti semitic which is bananas or that Israel have the right to defend themselves ( which they do but this isn't defence). We have a government whom for some very strange reason didn't vote for a ceasefire , something very odd is happening. This would have all been planned , either they want to start world war three or for some reason want Palestine in the hands of Israel in its enitirity

Who are these small number of people?

Actually you are the one saying it makes a difference, not I.

Why would you think that my introducing information from the Times of Israel as to the number of babies killed on October 7th and the manner of death was anything other than because facts matter?

Hamas hasn’t started a war against Christians! Who killed all the Christians sheltering at St. Porphyrius? Who used snipers to shoot women and shell a wing sheltering disabled civilians at the Catholic Holy Family Church?

There are numerous articles as well of the situation for Christians in the Christian quarter of Jerusalem and for Christians in the West Bank. It’s not Hamas. Muslim and Christian Palestinians are not fighting with each other.

You are the one insistently correcting posters on the manner of their death.

Genocides are a process not a singular event.
https://theconversation.com/genocides-persist-nearly-70-years-after-the-holocaust-but-there-are-recognized-ways-to-help-prevent-them-195260

I got deleted for saying this. Lord only knows why. Facts do matter. As awful as it is there is a difference between one baby being shot and multiple babies having their throats slit as @Xenia said. Just like there is a difference between 40 babies beheaded and babies being put in an oven and 1 baby being shot. People all over the world like Xenia are still repeating these untruths and using them as reasoning for killing 1000s of Palestinian children. Of course it is awful that anyone was shot, nevermind a lovely innocent baby with their whole life ahead of them but facts still matter. The truth still matters.

🤣 if one post quoting the Times of Israel is being “insistent”, then I wonder what your many posts could be characterised as?

No. The link states the cause of death as reported by the Israeli forensics team as of the 4th of December. They not only identify who each victim was, but also how they died. There is nothing confusing about it.

Power and money OP.
Large amounts of money and cheap access to resources. I do not think that is a coincidence that areas of the world at war are resources rich.

@HellishNika
Your video is as of 17th of October, so is preliminary information that has since been revised by the Times of Israel report I linked dated the 4th of December which is the most current that I could find. I am happy to look at anything you find that is newer.

From the article you quote:
Partial data by Hebrew media covering the civilians — killed by thousands of invading terrorists and by some of the thousands of rockets fired that day at Israeli cities — reveals that they include two infants, 12 other children under the age of 10, 36 civilians aged 10-19, and 25 elderly people over the age of 80, accounting for 75 of the 764 civilians.

So, so far they have accounted for about 10% of the bodies found.

Why are you in such denial about what happened on 7 October?

I missed your post and deletion. Thank you for also agreeing that facts matter. It is one thing to repeat rumour or allegations until the appropriate investigative authorities have reported on the facts, but quite another to continue repeating allegations long after they have been proven to not be true.

I like to post the facts and give posters a chance to update their working knowledge of the Israeli-Gaza conflict. Many posters have done the same for me as new information comes out daily.

Are you saying the Times of Israel, published in Israel by Israelis is in denial? All I am doing is reporting their article, and accurately, unlike you. It is incorrect to say they have only accounted for 10% of the bodies. In your haste you have taken an early sentence from the start of the article that focussed on children and the elderly and presumed it represented all the bodies- both combatants and civilian. Read on.

More from the article:

“An unknown number of bodies — in mid-November the number was around 100 — are still awaiting identification at the Shura pathological center near Tel Aviv, with difficulties in the process arising because of the state of the remains. Some of the remains are believed to belong to Hamas terrorists.“

later on the article implies only 8 of unidentified bodies are civilians as 764 have been identified as civilians, of which 756 have been identified as to who they are, age, sex and manner of death:

”Authorities have identified a total of 274 soldiers and 859 non-soldiers killed during the brutal assault. The latter figure includes 57 Israel Police officers and 38 local security officers. It is unclear which of these individuals were on duty when killed. Removing those victims leaves a figure of 764 civilians.”

”But the Walla news site has published data by age and gender for 756 of the murdered civilians for which information is available.
One of them was a baby under the age of one year — 10-month-old Mila Cohen, killed with her father and grandmother.
According to data by Haaretz, a Bedouin woman at the tail end of her pregnancy was shot in the abdomen while heading to the hospital to give birth, where doctors delivered the baby, but failed to save it.
Additionally, 12 children aged 1 to 9 — 10 boys and two girls — were murdered in the Hamas massacres, according to Walla.
Between the ages of 10 and 19, 36 civilians were murdered, 25 of them male and 11 female.
The largest number of confirmed civilian victims, 421, were in the age group of 20-40. Among them were 259 men and 162 women.
There were 161 victims between the ages of 41 and 64 — 102 men and 59 women.
Walla reported that 100 victims were aged 65-80, including 69 women and 31 men.
And 25 victims were over the age of 80 — 18 men and seven women.”
https://www.timesofisrael.com/14-kids-under-10-25-people-over-80-up-to-date-breakdown-of-oct-7-victims-we-know-about/

Yes but you could do the same about Isrsel. 1200 died out of a population of 9 or 10 million.

A process that Hamas intend to repeat again, again, again. They don't make any secret of this.

Identification of the bodies is an ongoing process, as indicated in the headline of the article you shared.

It is really the Israeli government and IDF’s flagrant violations of the Geneva convention that we need to worry more about now when it comes to genocide unfolding. You not only need intent, you need the means. Hamas falls far short of having the means.

The identification of bodies process is almost complete. As of December 4th, there was only one body of an infant under age 1 (infants are babies) who was shot while in her mother’s arms. The article also implies only 8 of the bodies not examined and identified are civilians. This means it is increasingly unlikely that this social media allegation is true as 99% [756 of 764 civilian bodies] have been examined and identified.

So my post stating that so far, there is no evidence that Hamas “slit the throats of babies” is correct per the Israeli forensic experts examining the bodies at the Shura Pathological Center, near Tel Aviv in Israel.

People have been questioning since there have been conflicts. It does not stop because of vested interests, because there are really no actual solutions, because sometimes there is not the political will. Because of varied and complex reasons.

It is absolutely not due to people not questioning. Most people question if conflict is necessary, but necessary means different things to different people.

I started being an active pacifist at 7. Still going. Still campaigning 36 years later. Spent my whole life pushing against violence. Of course people question!!!

No, it would not. That would not last. There is a shocking a count of naivity on this thread.

@Hellenika

Hamas hasn’t started a war against Christians!

Sorry I thought it was known that some of the people killed on 7/10 were of other faiths?

@Snugglemonkey how do you know that?

This isn’t a war based on religion as the post I replied to said Hamas had been doing “ethnic cleansing of Christians”

Hamas killed indiscriminately, people of all faiths including Jewish, Christian, Muslim, and others.

Their war is against Israel who they refer to as “the occupation.”

Many? I've posted five times in this thread, including this one. Much less than you.

Because it has been going on for such a long time. Because it needs a proper solution. Because Palestinians cannot possibly just accept the shitty hand they have been dealt and even if it were not Hamas, another group will step into the same shoes.

Because Israel is built on fear. Israel want the permanent obliteration of Palestine, but still will not feel secure.

There needs to be a proper, negotiated 2/3 state solution that gives everyone enough to feel secure.

This flurry may end with hostage exchange, or it may not. But things will continuously happen until a real peace deal happens.