WHY!!!

[Mrsmulhern]

Literally, just WHY!! Like I just don’t get war/conflict and when I’ve had conversations with people their answer is well, it’s because of something that happened years ago, or religion.

I mean why as human beings can we not just put an end to everything!! And if your answer is well we don’t want ‘terrorists’.. Literally 99 percent of humans do not want that either.
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I genuinely feel like I’m going insane, why is nobody questioning any war, anywhere?! WHAT does anyone have to be afraid of? People, like you and me are dying everywhere, all over the world and it’s ok with everyone.

I am genuinely curious as to reasons but I can’t see any. We’re on this planet for such a short time and people just blindly follow their ‘leader’.

Why can’t we just say no and stop it?!

Because it isn't up to us.

@TooBigForMyBoots but, why? We make up the majority of the world. People like you and me, we don’t want it. Why can’t we just say no?!

@Ibizafun I see what you’re saying but isn’t language like that part of the problem?

The Jews living in Israel are also taught that the people in Gaza are inherently bad. Which is not the case either way nobody is born wanting to kill anybody! Nobody is evil, so why don’t the adults/governments/politicians just stop? Stop bringing the new life up like that and let everyone just live?

I think people just hold their hands up and say well it’s not my business because it’s based on hate as a child, is that not radicalisation? It’s illegal and immoral so why does everyone just ignore it?

Just what’s happening 😩, fair enough if there was a group of people born evil no matter what then the entire world could try and get rid of them to save other humans.

But it’s just not the case!! There’s so many people that hold so much money and power buy making/selling weapons that it’s so conditioned that wars just happen.

why is nobody questioning any war, anywhere?? People, like you and me are dying everywhere, all over the world and it’s ok with everyone.

Are you 9? This is an incredibly naive take.

My 6 year old grandson says things like this.
Very immature thinking for an adult.
Research and educate yourself as to why everything is not so simple.

When questioning and wanting to discuss about why war happens, I find that resorting to calling someone a child and not engaging is used a lot @Daisybuttercup12345 @Whataretheodds I have researched a lot, and it seems to come down to religion/money. Or countries ‘owning’ eachother, like who made that up? Why can’t we just say nah.

Putin for example, why can’t the richest countries just arrest him? They have the means to. Infact they actually have enough weapons to just wipe the guy out but they won’t. And we all just accept that. People are dying!

@Ibizafun But it’s not all Gazans though! The majority of the population is 14!! They’re not actually living long enough to make an adult decision to fire rockets constantly. Plus where are the rockets coming from?! Richer countries surely if we just stopped the manufacturing of weapons it would end!

I just don’t understand WHY it’s justified that war is just ok, it happens, when it’s not. It’s so obviously to me a money/power thing and it’ll never stop because nobody ever questions it.

Also yes, the torture and rape is evil. To provoke a reaction as a terrorist organisation rhat have been radicalised as children. Nobody needs to kill anyone quickly or not. And they deserve all the repercussions as individuals. Their entire country does not.

I'm not sure the majority of the population is 14 but I agree with you that children aren't born evil and that's why it's so heartbreakingly sad. I read an interview with a Hamas "soldier"
explaining how they sent their OWN YOUNG CHILDREN carrying explosives towards the IDF. I don't want to be negative but how can one even hope.

Weapons coming from Iran but can't see that stopping any time soon.

This shows that contrary to your previous assertion you haven't 'researched' anything. Its very childlike and contains inaccuracies.

Oh my god. The insufferable responses here are doing my head in. I'm with you OP. It is absolutely enraging to witness such awfulness. It is enraging to see it play out in real time and be utterly powerless. I hear you. I don't have answers but hate breeds hate. There are huge historical wounds, anger and falsehoods at play.

Sadly op I think there is something innate in humans (men) that wants the war, destruction and the cruelty. Every phase in history every few generations this happens. Over and over again - since dawn of time. A cursory knowledge of history confirms this.

All that “Remembrance day” “never again” “we Will remember” po faced talk. Nah. Men want this. They must do or we wouldn’t keep doing it to ourselves repeatedly ad infinitum.

I agree OP. The idea that war is complex and a necessary evil is a lie we tell children and then as adults internalise to assuage our own conscience when we see the reports of wanton death and destruction. It’s hard to be helpless and the shrug and going ah well, necessary evil, going to just look away, let me know when it’s over, the blood is mopped up and the bodies buried is much easier than getting angry about all this and marching the streets to demand peace.

It’s not complex. Humanity could just stop if those in power who made the decisions to go to war just put that as not an option. Unfortunately, the saying that power corrupts is true. There is something evil in humans that when we amass power of life and death over others we find excuses to wield it.

Excuses we then push out to our subordinates and many are happy to be our lap dogs and will happily repeat excuses for killing children by saying things like they are taught from an early age to hate, so they deserve to die now, it’s complex, and you’re the child if you are against pre-emptive killing of children before they might become terrorists or genociding soldiers.

I think the arms sales are why the US Congress voted overwhelmingly against what the people of the US said they wanted in polls. Two thirds of Americans want a ceasefire but only 11% of Congress voted for one.

Congress and Biden instead have sent thousands of bombs, weapons, warships and UAVs to Israel. In the US, lobbying is legal. Lobbying involves big defence corporations donating money to members of Congress’ “campaign funds” (which is how they keep their jobs and move up the political leader career ladder by running for other political positions of power). In return the member of Congress looks out for their interests, interests like voting for more arms sales so the weapons manufacturers can keep getting the big bucks from the US government.

These defense corporations NEED the US to always be involved in at least two wars to keep on getting rich. They have been itching to go after Iran ever since Iraq & Afghanistan and are quietly pushing a narrative that Iran is behind all of this conflict as once Gaza is destroyed, they’d dearly love to invade Iran. Unlike Gaza which is a genocide that can be done in under a year, Iran could provide a steady cash cow for twenty years.

What's the reason for the quotation marks there OP? Do you disagree with the statement?

Oh sorry, cleared the quote.

I mean why as human beings can we not just put an end to everything!! And if your answer is well we don’t want ‘terrorists’.. Literally 99 percent of humans do not want that either.

WHAT does anyone have to be afraid of?
That's quite easy to say from the safety and comfort of your home today. Would you fancy living in Israel after what happened on 7 October, and the promises to repeat it again and again and again?

You might find this thread helpful in answering some of your questions:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/AMA/4967191-im-a-jewish-israeli-ama

why is nobody questioning any war, anywhere?!

Yes you're the only one who's ever questioned any war OP, well done.

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I think if I lived in a kibbutz near the Gaza strip, I'd just light some incense and play John Lennon's War is Over and hope for the best.

@Hellenika
the shrug and going ah well, necessary evil, going to just look away, let me know when it’s over, the blood is mopped up and the bodies buried is much easier than getting angry about all this and marching the streets to demand peace.

Just out of interest, if it were Jewish people getting angry and marching the streets to demand peace, how would you go about helping them to achieve it?

why is nobody questioning any war, anywhere?!

Wars (or the causes of wars rather) tend to be complicated though. Often diplomacy/peace talks are encouraged. No-one really thinks wars are a great idea.

Maybe go on that thread Pizdietz linked to if you haven’t already.

It's the complete naivety of people like the OP assuming they are the only one questioning any war etc. Did they suddenly discover war in the last couple of months. Many of us have always peacefully made our voices heard (although the pro one side protests are IMO divisive).

I must assume @Mrsmulhern that are very young to think you are the only one against war in general.

@Mrsmulhern people are saying you're being naive/ immature/uneducated but I fully understand what you're saying and how you feel. I feel and think the same. No, I'm not saying it's 'that simple' or that it's anything other than inextricably complex.
But brought back to the simplest, most child-like level, it's natural to wonder just why. Theoretically, it CAN just be stopped.

To answer your question "WHAT does anyone have to be afraid of?" - maybe this sort of thing?

These kids were pacifists, dancing for peace.