Opinion piece in newspaper -RICHARD LITTLEJOHN: The only purpose of these endless marches is to intimidate British Jews.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-12878659/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-marches-intimidate-British-Jews-tolerate-hatred-streets.html

He raises some interesting ideas.

You could just take the time to maybe follow some Palestinians on social media and actually listen to what they are saying

I follow Layla Moran and have read her distressing tweets about the situation with her family in the Catholic Church.

Yesterday I read an interesting thread from this American from Gaza. His family home in Rafah was bombed killing many children. Here he is translating an Arabic discussion from Palestinians about the conflict
https://x.com/afalkhatib/status/1738450215164915741?s=61&t=U9XrcF693-JpMxeIueYG7g

They haven't had much to say about Zara tbh.

@BigandBeefy that just makes me think it's nothing to do with the ad campaign....

And agreed. They live all over the world... including Qatar and Malta in opulent wealth.

I think there is a difference between being offended and feeling unsafe.
The Zara campaign is offensive to Palestinians. Does it make them feel unsafe in this country?

People should be free to go into the Zara shops in London if they want to do so rather than be stopped by a mob. People are doing last minute Christmas shopping. Christmas may not be important to some people but it is to many of the 67m of the UK.

This thread is about the marches making British Jews feel unsafe .
I don’t think the Zara advertising campaign makes anyone feel unsafe. Feeling offended is a different matter.

I mean the people I follow are clear that it is a combination of them having a bigot as their head designer and the ad campaign. I wouldn't say it was nothing to do with the ad campaign though. Perhaps you can explain why you think it is?

Why are you flagging that some Palestinians are wealthy? It seems odd. Are they not supposed be wealthy? Palestinians in general value education a lot and as a result are very well educated. I'm not surprised that some are very wealthy. Good for them do you not think?

@Xenia exactly what Happens to those that aren't 'offended' and want to go in there. Why should they run the Gauntlet? Making others feel unsafe as their opinions do not reflect yours.

Much the same as the marches. That minority whose opinion is far more important then others. Who want to shout down the rest and make them feel intimidated.

People being selective about the war they want to focus on... Otherwise they would be marching on the Qatari embassy in Mayfair. After all, Qatar provides a safe haven for the Hamas leadership.
If they really gave a damn about civilian casualties of war, they'd set up a peace camp outside the Russian embassy, calling for an end to hostilities in Ukraine. Or picket the Saudi embassy over the fighting in Yemen.

All of that is true....

Right. So you are still denying it has happened because you havent seen it mentioned by the entire 2 Palestinian people you follow or is it just 1, you arent clear. If it makes you feel good to insist you know better than Palestinians then good for you. There is nothing else to say really is there to someone who refuses to hear.

@BigandBeefy it depends why they are wealthy surely?

I'm sure there are many reasons a Palestinian can be wealthy, why are some Israelis wealthy? It would be dreadful to generalise about a whole group of very varied people wouldn't it?

@BigandBeefy sorry if I confused you I am not generalising hence my use of the word 'depends'

I'd like to know what the marches are supposed to be for.

I could understand if the UK military were bombing Palestine or if we had some authority over Israel.

Are we supposed to be so afraid of what the marchers might do that we threaten Israel with our own bombs? What will make them happy and stop them going on a killing spree as they have in the past so many times when their demands were not met?

Don't get me wrong. I have some sympathy with the people actually living in Palestine and I think the situation there is intolerable and needs to change, but the marchers are not living there. They're here trying to intimidate us and/or Jews who also are living here and not involved in any violence.

This.

They ?

Much the same as the marches. That minority whose opinion is far more important then others. Who want to shout down the rest and make them feel intimidated.
Any yet you’re the one who wants to shut the marches down because you don’t like them? Is that more important than their right to protest?

People being selective about the war they want to focus on... Otherwise they would be marching on the Qatari embassy in Mayfair. After all, Qatar provides a safe haven for the Hamas leadership.
If they really gave a damn about civilian casualties of war, they'd set up a peace camp outside the Russian embassy, calling for an end to hostilities in Ukraine. Or picket the Saudi embassy over the fighting in Yemen.
It’s probably because Israel tends to get European/American backing and funds. Neither Russia or Yemen do as far as I’m aware.

@Anotherdayanotherdiet sorry if my memory is a little frazzled but I don't remember ever saying I wanted them stopped.

Just the חורים that pledge hatred to all Jews and want Israel exterminated much like it's population.

Unless you’ve been living under a rock, the marches are for a ceasefire and for Palestinians to have basic human rights.

they are aimed at our government including nitwit prime minister Sunak who glibly makes statements like “we want you to win” as if this is a football match, refuses to vote for a ceasefire and continues in selling arms to Israel currently being used to obliterate Palestinian children.

And who have the marchers killed? Who do you think is “them” and who is “us” ? You’re sounding suspiciously bigoted with that comment but I’ll give you the opportunity to clarify.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/12/12/selling-weapons-israel-could-make-uk-complicit-war-crimes

sorry if my memory is a little frazzled but I don't remember ever saying I wanted them stopped.

You are not one of the posters who believes them to be antisemitic in nature rather than protest marches? Maybe my memory is a little frazzled too …

Why try to make out the protesters don’t actually care about the civilians or casualties in other wars if that is not what you’re getting at?

You assumed I didn't follow any. So now you're having to dismiss the two that I mentioned, plus the live twitter discussion between the Palestinians discussing the conflict who also didn't bring it up. I suspect you didn't read the thread though.

However, appealing to authority in the way that you are doing by suggesting that loads of Palestinians are offended and therefore it is the correct response instead of an irrational one isn't going to convince me that it's any more reasonable to stand outside Zara and intimidate shoppers.

they are aimed at our government

Did Rishi want to shop in Zara yesterday?

What does חורים refer to here?

I can see the translation to holes / dumps / pigsties, but don’t read Hebrew so wouldn’t want to misinterpret

By your reasoning, the marches against apartheid in South Africa should have never happened because we didn't live there?!
You have "some sympathy". I tend not to quantify. I am weird like that.

Who are the 'them' that you think might go on a killing spree?

Well 'they' did go on a killing spree @Scirocco. It wasn't just Hamas and Islamic jihad. Plenty of evidence to show Joe Public popped along for a jolly too.

@stomachamaleon at no point have I minimised the atrocities of October 7th. I'm simply asking the poster who they're referring to. They ask if people are meant to be afraid of people marching, then talk about 'them' going on a killing spree. How can we talk about 'them' without first clarifying who it refers to?