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Conflict in the Middle East

Israelis held hostage in Gaza - part 3

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 20/12/2023 12:29

Part 3.

I hope they come home soon and there's no need for a part 4.

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Scirocco · 20/06/2024 17:09

I'm so sorry, @EllaDisenchanted . I keep praying for them to get home safely, and I keep hoping for a deal so that everyone can be released and returned. For all that I care deeply about the innocent people in Palestine, I also care deeply about the innocent people in Israel, and about the hostages. As in so many conflicts around the world, innocent people suffer for the hatred of power-hungry men.

ScrollingLeaves · 20/06/2024 17:12

How very upsetting if this is true. This is awful news for the families to hear, and I am sorry.

US2gether · 20/06/2024 22:46

DownNative · 20/06/2024 15:50

It's a good question, to be honest. You can include the vast majority of people of Northern Ireland in that too.

It is not a given, axiomatic or automatic that someone becomes a terrorist. Its not often as neat as A causes B, therefore C.

I agree. Yet oft on threads following on from its a genocide will be something along the lines of future terrorist and they don't blame them type of comment

PeasfullPerson · 21/06/2024 07:48

The current situation in Gaza, set against a background of oppression and unequal human rights, and a future that will pose many challenges for generations to come, is creating a situation in which the risk factors for terrorism are undoubtedly being increased.

For those who think that the current actions aren’t likely to result in an increase in terrorist activity. What protective factors do they think will help mitigate this?

ScrollingLeaves · 21/06/2024 08:01

Since when is Gaza, that tiny strip surrounded by military oppression, full of people whose grandparents were pushed out of their homes by the people they see as oppressors , the equivalent of a great country like Germany or Japan?

In the future will the Palestinians of Gaza be given help to rebuild hospitals, universities, schools and all the rest that has just been destroyed like Germany was; and Palestinians allowed a State?

Look at the West Bank just put into the hands of followers of Ben-Givr and Smotrich; filled with illegal settlements and with more to come. How will this help peace?

US2gether · 21/06/2024 09:30

ScrollingLeaves · 21/06/2024 08:01

Since when is Gaza, that tiny strip surrounded by military oppression, full of people whose grandparents were pushed out of their homes by the people they see as oppressors , the equivalent of a great country like Germany or Japan?

In the future will the Palestinians of Gaza be given help to rebuild hospitals, universities, schools and all the rest that has just been destroyed like Germany was; and Palestinians allowed a State?

Look at the West Bank just put into the hands of followers of Ben-Givr and Smotrich; filled with illegal settlements and with more to come. How will this help peace?

I would hope and imagine if a neutral non terrorist government were in place money would be made available for rebuilding.

They have been given billions in aid over the years. However their own government raise taxes for terrorism. I don't think anyone can suggest they haven't been massively supported financially.

PeasfullPerson · 22/06/2024 23:50

Happy Birthday Naama. You should be at home with your family.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/thousands-of-israelis-rally-to-mark-to-hostage-s-birthday/ar-BB1oI2Al

ScrollingLeaves · 23/06/2024 16:45

From Haaretz (Israeli newspaper)

'Netanyahu Knows He's Out if Hostages Return'

Tens of Thousands of Israelis Protest Against Gov't, Demand Hostage Deal; Three ArrestedProtests are taking place in major Israeli cities and various locations across the country. A freed hostage said she feels 'betrayed' by the government, while a hostage's brother addressed Netanyahu, accusing him of 'prioritizing political survival over the lives of their loved ones'

Tens of thousands of people protested against the Netanyahu coalition and for a deal that would release the hostages in Tel Aviv and in several other locations across Israel, including Jerusalem, Caesarea, Haifa, and Be'er Sheva.

Israelis held hostage in Gaza - part 3
EllaDisenchanted · 24/06/2024 18:17

Mohammed Alatresh, 39 year old father of 13.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-807550
"The Hostages Families Forum bows its head in sorrow and with a heavy heart following the confirmation that Sergeant Major Mohammad Alatrash fell in battle on October 7th, and his body was subsequently abducted to Gaza by Hamas terrorists.
The Families Forum will continue to support and stand by the family during this difficult time and until his remains are returned to Israel."
💔
ברוך דיין האמת, יהי זכרו ברוך

https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-mohammed-altarash-bedouin-father-of-13/amp/more info about him here

Muhammad Alatrash, father of 13, killed on Oct 7 and taken to Gaza, IDF confirms

The announcement came minutes after the forum released a video showing the moment Hamas terrorists captured hostages  Hersh Goldberg-Polin, Eliya Cohen, and Or Levy.

https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-807550

EllaDisenchanted · 24/06/2024 18:23

At the request of the families, the footage of the kidnapping of Hersh Goldberg Polin, Or Levi and Elia Cohen has been released.

www.instagram.com/reel/C8mrMUSIXQ4/?igsh=MXh4YnJ1bjVycDNkOA==

WARNING: graphic

charchim · 24/06/2024 19:59

Yet there was someone on another thread a couple of weeks ago insisting that the hostages were treated well.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 21:50

EllaDisenchanted · 24/06/2024 18:17

Mohammed Alatresh, 39 year old father of 13.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-807550
"The Hostages Families Forum bows its head in sorrow and with a heavy heart following the confirmation that Sergeant Major Mohammad Alatrash fell in battle on October 7th, and his body was subsequently abducted to Gaza by Hamas terrorists.
The Families Forum will continue to support and stand by the family during this difficult time and until his remains are returned to Israel."
💔
ברוך דיין האמת, יהי זכרו ברוך

https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-mohammed-altarash-bedouin-father-of-13/amp/more info about him here

I am very sorry for his children, his baby who will never know him, and his 22 brothers and sisters. How very sad for them to hear now that he has died when they must have been hoping he might be alive.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 21:52

EllaDisenchanted · 24/06/2024 18:23

At the request of the families, the footage of the kidnapping of Hersh Goldberg Polin, Or Levi and Elia Cohen has been released.

www.instagram.com/reel/C8mrMUSIXQ4/?igsh=MXh4YnJ1bjVycDNkOA==

WARNING: graphic

I could not open this, but so hope there might still be a chance of them being freed.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 22:18

From Haaretz (Israeli newspaper) about the
ceasefire deal with Hamas.

^In his first interview to Israeli media since Oct 7
PM Netanyahu told pro-government Channel 14 on Sunday night that he is willing to accept apartial deal with Hamas, during which some hostages held in Gaza would be released, but that he is committed to carrying on with the war after the pause in fighting. He added that he will not agree to any deal that involves Hamas' survival as the ruling party in Gaza.^

Sources familiar with the Israel-Hamas negotiations told Haaretz they believe that Netanyahu's remarks could sabotage the prospects of a deal. One of them said, "Netanyahu made it clear that he is not interested in the release of all the abductees – a demand he himself makes to Hamas – and is not willing to provide the concessions that Hamas demands. In this situation, Sinwar has no incentive to proceed with a deal."

Hamas said that Netanyahu's comments prove that Israel rejects both U.S. President Biden's proposal outline and the U.S.-drafted UN Security Council resolution to secure the release of hostages, adding that it demands the Biden administration "takes a clear stance and stop supporting the war's continuation."

Former war cabinet member Gadi Eisenkot said at a Knesset panel that PM Netanyahu's comments are "contrary to the war cabinet's decision. Maybe it was a Freudian slip, maybe just a thought. But I think it requires an immediate clarification in light of the mental turmoil caused to the families of the hostages."

At the same panel, Niva Wenkert, the mother of hostage Omer Wenkert said: "One day Netanyahu tells us that there's a deal on the table, and that the hostages will be released and the other day he says something different. How can I not go crazy? I'm a law-abiding citizen and a Zionist, but if my country doesn't save my son, we have no future here."

Following the backlash, PM Netanyahu said he remains "committed to the Israeli proposal laid out" by U.S. President Biden for a deal.

ScrollingLeaves · 24/06/2024 22:29

Thank you@EllaDisenchanted I could see that. I saw Hersch’s dreadfully wounded arm and that Or and Elia were wounded badly too. It is a terrible thing that they suffered this then all the subsequent months of captivity. If Hersh is anything like his mother who is so admirable he may have had a spirit to keep him going and maybe the other two if they were together, but their ordeal is unimaginable.

I think the families did release it to try to help get a ceasefire.

Scirocco · 24/06/2024 22:30

EllaDisenchanted · 24/06/2024 18:17

Mohammed Alatresh, 39 year old father of 13.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-807550
"The Hostages Families Forum bows its head in sorrow and with a heavy heart following the confirmation that Sergeant Major Mohammad Alatrash fell in battle on October 7th, and his body was subsequently abducted to Gaza by Hamas terrorists.
The Families Forum will continue to support and stand by the family during this difficult time and until his remains are returned to Israel."
💔
ברוך דיין האמת, יהי זכרו ברוך

https://www.timesofisrael.com/taken-captive-mohammed-altarash-bedouin-father-of-13/amp/more info about him here

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji'un.

Scirocco · 24/06/2024 22:37

Those poor, brave young men. I pray they're safe and can be reunited with their loved ones.

EllaDisenchanted · 29/06/2024 20:38

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8zz-DCoYqI/?igsh=MWFkNjR5cXFvaW1kMA==

video released by Noa Argamani. I will look for a version with English subtitles . She expressed gratitude for all who supported her parents while she was being held, and her concern for the other hostages, particularly her partner Avinatan.

EllaDisenchanted · 29/06/2024 20:42

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8z1BcTtN1W/?igsh=dXpheTJnYWptN2p5

video with subtitles

The video before it is an heartbreaking interview with Avinatan’s mother.

Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8z1BcTtN1W?igsh=dXpheTJnYWptN2p5

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 21:18

EllaDisenchanted · 29/06/2024 20:38

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C8zz-DCoYqI/?igsh=MWFkNjR5cXFvaW1kMA==

video released by Noa Argamani. I will look for a version with English subtitles . She expressed gratitude for all who supported her parents while she was being held, and her concern for the other hostages, particularly her partner Avinatan.

She has spoken so movingly. Imagine her being able to say this:

”I wish for all of us to have more peaceful days, quieter days, for us to be surrounded by family, friends, and good people. Most importantly, may we learn to love and not hate."

Pray that the remaining hostages will be released.

EllaDisenchanted · 29/06/2024 21:29

ScrollingLeaves · 29/06/2024 21:18

She has spoken so movingly. Imagine her being able to say this:

”I wish for all of us to have more peaceful days, quieter days, for us to be surrounded by family, friends, and good people. Most importantly, may we learn to love and not hate."

Pray that the remaining hostages will be released.

Amen

PeasfullPerson · 30/06/2024 12:24

Thank you Noa, for not being consumed by hate ❤️ After what she has been through, and while her partner is still being held hostage, it must take an incredible amount of strength to say that.

EllaDisenchanted · 02/07/2024 11:12

Liora Argamani, Noa’s mother, passed away 💔

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/mother-of-rescued-hostage-noa-argamani-dies-after-battle-with-brain-cancer/

anotherlevel · 02/07/2024 11:39

EllaDisenchanted · 02/07/2024 11:12

😢 That's so sad. The only consolation is that she passed away after being reunited with Noa again.

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