Israelis held hostage in Gaza - part 3

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Part 3.

I hope they come home soon and there's no need for a part 4.

Where have you read it? This isn’t opinion, this is a question of what happened. Where did you read that Hamas took dozens of dead Israeli civilian bodies into Gaza on Oct 7th?

An article about the head of an IDF soldier killed in combat in Gaza is evidence for Hamas taking dozens of dead Israelis into Gaza on Oct 7th how exactly? It is evidence of abuse of a corpse, a war crime…but I am baffled as to how you think it shows that dozens of dead civilian Israelis were taken by Hamas into Gaza….

Yes the view of many Israelis, you would see that if you read the links to Israel news sources that I posted to support my comment.

You never post anything to support your statements on what you claim Israelis think or have told you. However many you personally know, you can’t compete with the results of professional polling of hundreds of Israelis done in Israel. Or the fact of thousands of protesters speaking up in Israel and the reporting on what they are saying.

Pass the buck if it makes you feel Better though.
What do you mean by this? Pass the buck to whom?

I am curious how you think the hostages can be kept alive without a ceasefire? While being held in an area that is undergoing famine, disease, destruction of its entire health system?

You seem more invested in pointing a finger of blame than in trying to get the rest of hostages home alive. Reality is that we can’t get them home without negotiating with Hamas.

IDF special forces have tried numerous rescue attempts of hostages and all have failed.

The only Israeli hostages to get to IDF in Gaza escaped Hamas on their own and, of them, one woman survived and three men were shot and killed by IDF.

You have listed 3 hostages that were determined to be deceased months ago and are not among those 34 currently under discussion.

All 3 were on the list I saw actually and we can discuss as many as we wish since there's no doubt, despite your belief, that a number of bodies were kidnapped on the 7th after they'd been murdered.

I can't stand Netanyahu but he has to weigh up the lives of the hostages against the lives of future victims of terrorism and there is no doubt that given the opportunity Hamas would indeed commit a similar massacre should they and their infrastructure survive. I've spent 50 years watching Palestinian terrorist groups murder civilians both inside and outside Israel so I have absolutely no illusions about them.

Perhaps some did die In bombing but let's face it why were they even in Gaza at all the? The ultimate responsibility for their deaths still rests with Hamas. No doubt you'll tell yourself differently.

A deal would be preferable but Hamas' demands are currently so absurd that there is no way Israel can accept them.

www.instagram.com/reel/C3FNnTINKFq/?igsh=MWY1M3Z5cmRkaGJ1bA==

www.timesofisrael.com/bodies-of-three-soldiers-killed-on-october-7-taken-by-hamas-to-gaza-idf-says/

@SummerFeverVenice you seem to spend a lot of time 'baffled' and 'confused'.

As I said i read it this week. This was confirmed by other posters.

What do you want me to post... my cousin said xyz. Your being ridiculous. I don't need to justify myself to you.

You seem determined to point the blame at Israel and yet none of this would even be discussed if Hamas had not taken them hostage in the first place. Hamas have no realistic plan for ceasefire except nonsense that they know will be refused.

Report says CIA chief to return to Middle East as US pushes for Gaza truce deal

US media outlet Axios reports that Bill Burns, the head of the US’s foreign intelligence agency, is expected to travel to Cairo next week to meet with Egyptian officials in an effort to launch a new round of negotiations between Israel and Hamas.

Burns is seen as the US’s most respected negotiator in the Middle East and a visit from him to Doha preceded the first and only truce in Israel’s war on Gaza.

@Efacsen that's more positive. Have been reading over the proposals that Hamas countered with this morning. Some of just ridiculous and some workable. Fingers crossed he Manages something.

www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/at-least-32-of-136-hostages-in-gaza-are-dead-report/

Most of the agreement seems to be that lots where killed on October 7th and their bodies removed to Gaza to bargain with.

I’m not really sure what to write because I don’t want my words twisted and I am posting this in good faith.

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2024/feb/10/diane-foley-mother-james-foley-beheaded-islamic-state-interview

Very confused by what you're trying to say by this. Are you trying to imply that the terrorists who took the hostages on 7th October might actually be good and intelligent people, like the poor mum is saying about the terrorist she met? Or are you leaning more on the message that it's in Israel's best interest for the hostages to remain in Gaza and that's why they're still there? Because either way, there's nothing good faith about posting this on a thread about the hostages. I'm hoping you'll tell me you were trying to convey a much more appropriate message by posting this. So please, do explain what exactly was in good faith about the article you shared.

Hamas says any Israeli ground offensive in Rafah will 'blow up' hostage exchange talks

Any Israeli ground offensive in Rafah on the Gaza border will “blow up” the hostage exchange negotiations, Hamas-run Aqsa television channel quoted a senior Hamas leader as saying on Sunday.

Guardian

And this - also from the Guardian

Israeli strikes on Gaza over past 96 hours killed two Israeli hostages, Hamas' armed wing says

Israeli strikes on the Gaza Strip during the past 96 hours have killed two Israeli hostages and seriously injured eight others, Hamas’ armed-wing Al Qassam Brigades wrote on Telegram.

“Their conditions are becoming more dangerous in light of the inability to provide them with appropriate treatment. (Israel) bears full responsibility for the lives of those injured in light of their continued bombing,” the statement said. These claims are yet to be independently verifi

@Efacsen it's predictable though. They are turning the screws.

And that statement is laughable.

Also less and less places to hide the hostages as Hamas loses territory and IDF closes in so has to be a concern

It’s definitely worrying.

They could always give them back? You are implying their hand is being forced. This is a situation they have brought on themselves.

Of course it's a concern but what is the option? It would have to be a viable Ceasefire but Hamas don't seem keen on that.

Hamas are on the back foot.

They are surrounded, the tunnels must be getting a bit damp by now, and they know their days are numbered.

That's why they want to negotiate a ceasefire, but they know their masters in Qatar won't hesitate to thrown them under the bus if necessary.

Just a thought....

Yes them being on the back foot is what concerns me for the hostages, because desperate men are unpredictable. although I feel there’s a bit of hope too, because it could swing either way, it could be good or bad for negotiations.

Interesting article in the Guardian.

apple.news/AhcWqrcvOSGKhnciTAV54ag

Thank you for sharing that.

I’ve just been reading this, I think if this bombardment continues in Rafah there will be no hostages left alive. The 8 seriously wounded will have no access to medical aid either. Huge demo’s against Netanyahu in Tel Aviv as well. All the politicians of the world making statements that it can’t go on, but no one is actually doing anything to stop it, what a desperate situation.