Israelis held hostage in Gaza - part 3

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Part 3.

I hope they come home soon and there's no need for a part 4.

Those demands do not seem too bad to me and don't forget when you are negotiating your starting point is ask for everything knowing each side will have to make concessions. I do agree though @Februaryfeels it is extremely difficult to negotiate with terrorists and very hard to trust them but I am not sure what other option there is?

Thanks @Efacsen . This part makes me very anxious: 'a third of whom it wanted to select from the a list of Palestinians handed life sentences by Israel' .
The thought of selected convicted murderers being exchanged just makes me think civilian kidnappings will become an even more enticing prospect for Hamas. A literal get out of jail free card. They get to choose the people who they really need to keep the war going... After the repercussions from Sinwar, it makes me highly anxious, but I also think that this will kibosh any hostage negotiations, because I sincerely doubt I am the only person who feels like this.

I hope you're as understanding about Israel's opening negotiations then.

I hope no agreement is made until the hostages have been visited by the red cross so we know how many hostages there actually are. I don't want a deal to be made and then Hamas murder some of the hostages before returning them, pretending they've been dead for a while already, so they can't talk about their experiences once back in Israel.

@EllaDisenchanted I imagine it would make you feel anxious and it's a lot more raw for you all living in Israel.

To be fair I can’t blame anyone for feeling anxious about that. I can’t see them releasing people who are undoubtedly that dangerous. I can’t imagine someone who could originally take such a hard line would be softened by spending years in Prison, and then seeing their fellow people and homeland destroyed on a mass scale.

Here are some additional details

At least 500 trucks of aid and fuel be brought daily into all areas of the Gaza Strip.

Hamas demands the return of displaced Palestinians to their places of residence, the guarantee of freedom of movement between the north and south of the Strip, and the opening of the crossings.

Hamas also demands that at least 60,000 temporary homes and 200,000 shelter tents be allowed to enter the Strip during the first phase.

Additional approvals would be required for a plan to reconstruct homes, economic facilities and public facilities that were destroyed within three years.

Hamas also demanded that settlers stop storming Al Aqsa mosque and that the situation at Al Aqsa mosque return to how it was before 2002.

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It's truly impressive how you have even managed to twist this into something that's actually Israel's fault. They were terrorist extremists before being sent to prison for murder and terrorism. There was no need for you to add any of the second half of your paragraph. Completely unnecessary. These terrorists don't give a flying fuck about their country or people. They care about killing their enemy, not about the lives of their own people. Stop being so sympathetic and understanding towards terrorists, it's not a great look.

I can’t imagine someone who could originally take such a hard line would be softened by spending years in Prison, and then seeing their fellow people and homeland destroyed on a mass scale.

I wonder if you similarly sympathise with Israeli motivations after suffering the trauma of the October terror attack and subsequent ongoing rocket attacks from several sources? Or is the sympathy reserved for the terrorists?

Let's not forget that none of this started on October 7th. Israelis have been living in fear of their various neighbours for a lot longer than that. So really, all of Israel's actions over the years are perfectly understandable. That's my take home message from that post, anyway.

It is beneficial to try and understand the factors that lead people to behave in a certain way. You can’t solve a problem that you don’t understand.
I made an assessment of why releasing them might now be an even bigger risk, than it was before. Do you disagree with my assessment?

I think you need to acknowledge that the same will be true of the Israelis. Generational trauma from the Holocaust and then the next several decades spent living through multiple wars and terrorist attacks, surrounded by countries and people that wish them the worst ill possible.
They get no understanding though - just called settler-colonialists.

https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-02-07-24/index.html

• “In response, an Israel official told CNN there was "no way" Israel would accept the Hamas counterproposal. US Secretary of State Antony Blinken is in Israel meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and other officials on Wednesday.”

no reports in Israeli media at the moment.

Netanyahu holding a press conference at 17,30 [GMT]

@PeasfullPerson respectfully, I do disagree with your assessment. The men Hamas specifically want are monsters. The terror acts they planned and are serving multiple life sentences for were targeted deliberately to inflict the maximum death and injury to innocents, to families, including children and babies. what bigger risk could they possibly be- they’ve already proven themselves to capable of planning the worst atrocities.

@EllaDisenchanted we shall have to agree to disagree then. I believe the risk will be higher now than it was before.
Also, they are not monsters, they are people that have done terrible things which seem alien, because most of us could never conceive of it. I put them in the same category as many members of the Israeli government and the IDF.
Anyway I did not plan to detail the thread, I hope that the remaining hostages get returned to their families very soon. And as said before, I can understand why people would feel anxious about those sorts of prisoners being released.

@PeasfullPerson I wholeheartedly disagree with your assessment. They are monsters and deserve to rot.
I anticipated your response 'putting them in the same category' as the government and IDF'. How predictable. Even on this thread you can't help yourself.

No, they're monsters. They're terrorists. Terrorists are monsters. What other terrorists do you actively sympathise with?

@stomachamaleon

I have noted how biased your comments are, and that the way you describe the same actions depends on whether they are being perpetrated by or against an Israeli or Palestinian person.

I am not supportive of acts of terror, war crimes, or genocide. The same is not true for some of you. I see that you are intent on twisting my words.

Do you seriously consider yourself to be unbiased on this subject? 😳 You have an awful lot of opinions on something you're impartial about.

@Efacsen it's been rejected. Announced on news.

Press conference today in London with members of the Sharabi family and Sharon Lipschitz.

https://www.youtube.com/live/plvQ1gWRCO0?si=mnxi2Z9hji63aaA3

Also, they are not monsters, they are people that have done terrible things which seem alien, because most of us could never conceive of it. I put them in the same category as many members of the Israeli government and the IDF.

Of course they're monsters. War is terrible and bombing civilians is horrible but what kind of person can face-to-face murder children, whether it was an attack like 7th October or suicide bombing? I remember all those years of the 2nd Intifada, plus Palestinian terrorist attacks for the last 50-odd years, many of which were outside Israel too. Lots of people have been - and still are - oppressed and don't behave like that.

What an utterly ridiculous post.

How do you rescue hostages when you don't even know where they are? There are over 2 million people in Gaza, Hostages were not kept in one location and were kept in tunnels too. It's not like Entebbe, where they knew where the hostages were and they were all together.

As for Israel murdering hostages it's quite evident from some of the videos that Hamas murdered those hostages and they were not killed in bombing. Even if they had been, it would still be Hamas's fault because they shouldn't have been in Gaza in the first place.