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Israelis held hostage in Gaza - part 3

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 20/12/2023 12:29

Part 3.

I hope they come home soon and there's no need for a part 4.

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quantumbutterfly · 05/02/2024 16:15

EllaDisenchanted · 05/02/2024 15:22

I believe it is families of some of the hostages and bereaved families who have organised protests blocking aid trucks, not settlers. Desperate people. Israel has taken measures to stop them, they’ve declared the Keren shalom crossing a closed military zone and arrested a number of the protestors.

saying hostages on both sides was goady. Hamas have said they want all prisoners released. Some of the people Hamas allegedly want in return for the hostages include

times of Israel:
“Channel 12 said that high on Hamas’s expected list is Abdullah Barghouti, nicknamed “Hamas’s engineer,” and considered the terror organization’s biggest explosives expert with the possible exception of Yahya Ayyash, who was assassinated in 1996. Barghouti was responsible for planning terror attacks such as the 2003 Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing in Jerusalem that killed 16 people including seven children and a pregnant woman; the Café Moment suicide bombing in 2002 that killed 11; and the 2002 Hebrew University bombing that killed nine people, including five US citizens.

In total, Barghouti was responsible for the murder of 66 Israelis. He was sentenced to 67 life sentences, the most ever given to a Palestinian prisoner.
Also on Hamas’s likely list, according to the report, is Abbas Al-Sayed, the commander of Hamas’s military wing in the West Bank city of Tulkarem. He planned the 2002 Park Hotel suicide bombing in Netanya during Passover, which killed 30 mostly elderly Israelis and injured 140,and became the deadliest Palestinian act of terror during the Second Intifada. Al-Sayed was sentenced to 35 life sentences.
Hamas is also expected to seek to free Ibrahim Hamed, who is considered the most dangerous prisoner currently held by Israel. He was the commander of Hamas’s military wing throughout the West Bank and was behind numerous terror acts. Hamed was ultimately convicted for the murder of 46 civilians and was given 54 life sentences.“

the list continues on. I remember the sbarro bombing, that one killed a bride and her father the night before her wedding,nava applebaum, those 7 children included a baby in their pram and a pregnant woman. I remember when the park hotel bombing happened too. That was during Seder night, and was down the road from where my grandma lives.

the masterminds behind these attacks are NOT hostages, they are convicted terrorists, and prisoners for very good reason. Releasing them, like Sinwar was released for Shalit does NOTHING for peace, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. If these people are released, Hamas takes October 7th and their strategy of taking hostages as a win, and clearly a good plan going forward, and gain back people who have successfully in the past caused terror and murder against Israel. How does that help bring forward peace to either side?

Are there people in Israeli detention who should not be there ? I would sincerely hope not, but in all probability, yes. And they deserve a fair hearing and to be released, irrespective of any deal. But that is not what Hamas are after. They don’t care about innocent people caught up in this, they want their terrorists back.

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Livinginanotherworld · 05/02/2024 16:48

Would I expect prisoners that have been to trial and been sentenced to be released ? no, of course I wouldn’t. I doubt very much that will happen.

But there are 1000’s and 1000’s of people held without any trial ( including children) including for a fact, thousands just since 07 Oct, in effect held hostage. No court case, no trial. They are hostages or if you like, prisoners of war too. These people should be subject to a hostage exchange without a doubt.

On the point about the aid trucks being blockaded, whether it be by hostage families or settlers, the IDF could disperse them all in minutes…..if they wanted to. If there is nothing getting through, the hostages are getting nothing either, it doesn’t make sense that they would want this to happen, it’s as if Netanyahu has forgotten they are still there. Hamas aren’t stupid, they need them alive and well too, but there aren’t many places left to keep them safe and fed.

stomachameleon · 05/02/2024 18:36

Well said @EllaDisenchanted.

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 16:47

I have seen that 32 hostage families have been told by Israeli intelligence that their missing are dead. 1/5th of the overall number.
Devastated....

quantumbutterfly · 06/02/2024 16:51

😔

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 06/02/2024 17:21

Apparently it is suspected a further 20 may be too.

Just awful.

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anotherlevel · 06/02/2024 17:35

That's not the news everyone wanted to hear. Their families must be devastated by the news. Let's hope the others are ok and make it out alive.

Februaryfeels · 06/02/2024 17:43

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 16:47

I have seen that 32 hostage families have been told by Israeli intelligence that their missing are dead. 1/5th of the overall number.
Devastated....

That's heartbreaking

To have the hope for soon long.

Sad

anotherlevel · 06/02/2024 19:09

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Efacsen · 06/02/2024 19:20

There have been hints of this on and off for a while - very sorry to see that it's true and how many more deaths

EllaDisenchanted · 06/02/2024 19:20

@anotherlevel not appropriate and inflammatory. Please have the courtesy to ask to have this withdrawn.

Humdingerydoo · 06/02/2024 19:24

EllaDisenchanted · 06/02/2024 19:20

@anotherlevel not appropriate and inflammatory. Please have the courtesy to ask to have this withdrawn.

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Thank you. I was trying to work out why someone would spread Hamas propaganda on a thread about hostages 😳

EllaDisenchanted · 06/02/2024 19:25

StarbucksSmarterSister · 06/02/2024 17:21

Apparently it is suspected a further 20 may be too.

Just awful.

💔have seen similar reports here too. Feels like maybe they are softening the blow, with 'unconfirmed' and these anonymous leaks?

Negotiations remain very vague, some sort of Qatari announcement that things seem positive.

Efacsen · 06/02/2024 19:38

@EllaDisenchanted Hamas have made a long post on Telegram confirming that they want to move to the next stage of the negotiations - published on Al Jazeera

No explanation of why it's taken so long

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anotherlevel · 06/02/2024 19:43

EllaDisenchanted · 06/02/2024 19:20

@anotherlevel not appropriate and inflammatory. Please have the courtesy to ask to have this withdrawn.

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I didn't mean to offend. I'm sorry

etmoiandme · 06/02/2024 20:12

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 16:47

I have seen that 32 hostage families have been told by Israeli intelligence that their missing are dead. 1/5th of the overall number.
Devastated....

Awful news.

SomeCatFromJapan · 06/02/2024 20:14

Tragic news this evening.

PeasfullPerson · 06/02/2024 21:51

I’m sorry for the families that now have no hope left. May they find at least some peace in knowing that their family member isn’t suffering anymore.

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 21:52

@anotherlevel did you not read before you
Posted? How could you not see it as offensive?

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StarbucksSmarterSister · 06/02/2024 22:18

Hamas demands, apparently

A permanent end to the fighting
The end of the Israeli-Egyptian blockade
Reconstruction of Gaza
The release of Palestinian prisoners

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SomeCatFromJapan · 06/02/2024 22:20

So just... everything they want? And presumably Israel will be the bad guy for not falling over themselves to agree to this nonsense?

stomachameleon · 06/02/2024 22:25

@SomeCatFromJapan and nonsense it is.

Februaryfeels · 06/02/2024 23:27

SomeCatFromJapan · 06/02/2024 22:20

So just... everything they want? And presumably Israel will be the bad guy for not falling over themselves to agree to this nonsense?

Why would anyone ever negotiate with terrorists

They really are scum

Efacsen · 07/02/2024 09:31

More details on Hamas wish list

Hamas draft ceasefire plan details, according to Reuters

The Reuters report on the draft Hamas ceasefire plan has some more detail on what the organisation is proposing. The plan is in response to a proposal sent last week by Qatari and Egyptian mediators and backed by the US and Israel.

According to the draft document seen by Reuters, the Hamas counterproposal envisions three phases lasting 45 days each. Here are the details of those 45-day phases, according to the news agency:

All Israeli female hostages, males under 19, elderly people and the sick would be released during the first 45-day phase in exchange for the release of Palestinian women and children from Israeli jails.

Remaining male hostages would be released during the second phase.

The bodies and remains of those killed in fighting would be exchanged in the third phase. By the end of the third phase, Hamas would expect the sides to have reached agreement on an end to the war.

Reuters report that the proposal would also see the reconstruction of Gaza beginning and Israeli forces withdrawing completely.

Hamas, which governs Gaza, said in an addendum to the proposal that it wished for the release of 1,500 prisoners, a third of whom it wanted to select from the a list of Palestinians handed life sentences by Israel.

The truce would also increase the flow of food and other aid to Gaza’s desperate civilians who are facing hunger and dire shortages of basic supplies.

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