Israelis held hostage in Gaza - part 3

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Part 3.

I hope they come home soon and there's no need for a part 4.

A senior Hamas official has confirmed it has received a framework for a ceasefire proposal in the Israel-Gaza war, but said a final agreement has not yet been reached.

Osama Hamdan, at a news conference in Beirut on Saturday, said Hamas had received a “general framework proposal” that was drafted during talks in Paris involving intelligence chiefs from Israel, the US and Egypt, plus the prime minister of Qatar. He said:

''We confirm that the leadership discussion and consultation about it is based on the negotiations reaching a complete end to the terrorist aggression against our Palestinian people, and a complete withdrawal of the occupation army from the Gaza Strip''.

He said Hamas leaders were reviewing the framework but more time was needed to “announce our position”, adding that the plan was missing some details.

“We will announce our position” soon “based on ... our desire to put an end as quickly as possible to the aggression that our people suffer”, he added.

Guardian

@Efacsen do you get the impression it's hopeful?

IDK they still seem such a long way apart and Hamas is not even agreeing to start the actual negotiations yet.............

As long as neither party walks away there's always hope?

What do you think?

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I agree with you.

The information I have heard from friends in Israel is that they feel quite positive about this information but I am not sure whether it's wishful thinking and a desperation to see the hostages home.

Hamas to issue a statement tonight on the proposed hostage deal

Appears to be delays on Hamas end

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-says-more-time-needed-to-announce-position-on-potential-hostage-deal/

I have read that it's a no from Hamas. I might be wrong but...
I hope this is relayed to the 'ceasefire now' crowd. This is on Hamas.

Where was that said @stomachamaleon ? Was it from that awful Hamas spokesman again

[not surprised]

It was on Saudi outlet Al- Arabiya and then in the Jerusalem post.

Thanks

This is disappointing.

I thought Hamas wanted a ceasefire. At least those ceasefire now pro pal folks reckon they do

The proposal didn't include a full ceasefire, but rather a six week temporary truce. From what I have read some Hamas leaders will accept no less than a full ceasefire which I pesonally think is understandable considering the scale of death and devastation in Gaza.

I have also seen that some Hamas leaders want the release of high profile prisoners in exchange for hostages which is a extremely unreasonable demand and I can see why Israel would reject such a demand seeing as Yahya Sinwar was previously released in such a deal.

I have read on sky that we may be hearing some news soon and I'm hoping it's good news for the sake of all the hostages and for all those suffering on both sides

Blinken due to arrive in Saudi for new diplomatic tour of ME incl Qatar Egypt Israel WB

'Blinken will focus on “diplomatic efforts to reach an agreement that secures the release of all remaining hostages and includes a humanitarian pause” in Gaza, State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said in a statement ahead of the visit'.

So still some hope

i don’t see how they will meet in the middle with this. Hamas want a complete withdrawal of troops and a full ceasefire, then they will negotiate with a hostage swap, but a pause is no good to anyone. What is the point of pausing, just for all to regroup, re-arm and start killing again. We need a permanent ceasefire on both sides immediately. More and more people are being killed every single day that this goes on. The last safe place in Gaza is no longer safe, where the fuck are they going to go now ? It’s abhorrent.

Hamas: we want an end to hostilities and a lasting peace, with Palestinian self-determination at the centre of this and all hostages released by both sides

Israel: we will temporarily pause the genocide and keep most hostages and deny you a state but we want our hostages back

Hamas: no we want a lasting resolution

Israel: no

I thought we were talking about a hostage release ?? I want all the hostages released, both sides.

@Livinginanotherworld might there be a reason you can think of why Israel would be reluctant about a ceasefire agreement that leaves Hamas in charge in Gaza?

Hostages like Sinwar you mean ? He was exchanged in the deal for shalit.

@Livinginanotherworld this is an exceptionally goady post.

The fact is though, unless both sides agree to compromise there will be no ceasefire. This is not a goady post @EllaDisenchanted I am simply stating facts. There is no easy way and both sides are going to have to meet somewhere.
It’s like the settlers blocking aid trucks, do they not think that the hostages will be starving as well as the people of Gaza. Somebody somewhere is not connecting the dots that lead to the release of hostages.

I do agree there will need to be some compromises made on both sides, absolutely.
I don't think it's realistic for things to effectively return to the status quo in Gaza in terms of Hamas' role there. How does that guarantee against another terrorist attack?

If Hamas gets the release of the terrorists they're asking for, they win. It's exactly what they have wanted all along. The only thing they've wanted all along. Unless you genuinely think they just want peace and self-determination for Palestinians, in which case I have a lovely bridge to sell you.

There is a reason you're not meant to negotiate with terrorists - they'll just terrorise again as it'll be worth their while to do so. Hamas has already said October 7th was just a rehearsal. Combine that with the fact they want terrorists and murderers to be released - what do you think Hamas' next move will be? Do you think they want terrorists released to help make sure the ceasefire is maintained?

Another small source of hope is that Qatar haven't confirmed that Hamas have rejected the proposal which they have done in the past when Hamas or Israel have left the negotiations

I believe it is families of some of the hostages and bereaved families who have organised protests blocking aid trucks, not settlers. Desperate people. Israel has taken measures to stop them, they’ve declared the Keren shalom crossing a closed military zone and arrested a number of the protestors.

saying hostages on both sides was goady. Hamas have said they want all prisoners released. Some of the people Hamas allegedly want in return for the hostages include

times of Israel:
“Channel 12 said that high on Hamas’s expected list is Abdullah Barghouti, nicknamed “Hamas’s engineer,” and considered the terror organization’s biggest explosives expert with the possible exception of Yahya Ayyash, who was assassinated in 1996. Barghouti was responsible for planning terror attacks such as the 2003 Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing in Jerusalem that killed 16 people including seven children and a pregnant woman; the Café Moment suicide bombing in 2002 that killed 11; and the 2002 Hebrew University bombing that killed nine people, including five US citizens.

In total, Barghouti was responsible for the murder of 66 Israelis. He was sentenced to 67 life sentences, the most ever given to a Palestinian prisoner.
Also on Hamas’s likely list, according to the report, is Abbas Al-Sayed, the commander of Hamas’s military wing in the West Bank city of Tulkarem. He planned the 2002 Park Hotel suicide bombing in Netanya during Passover, which killed 30 mostly elderly Israelis and injured 140,and became the deadliest Palestinian act of terror during the Second Intifada. Al-Sayed was sentenced to 35 life sentences.
Hamas is also expected to seek to free Ibrahim Hamed, who is considered the most dangerous prisoner currently held by Israel. He was the commander of Hamas’s military wing throughout the West Bank and was behind numerous terror acts. Hamed was ultimately convicted for the murder of 46 civilians and was given 54 life sentences.“

the list continues on. I remember the sbarro bombing, that one killed a bride and her father the night before her wedding,nava applebaum, those 7 children included a baby in their pram and a pregnant woman. I remember when the park hotel bombing happened too. That was during Seder night, and was down the road from where my grandma lives.

the masterminds behind these attacks are NOT hostages, they are convicted terrorists, and prisoners for very good reason. Releasing them, like Sinwar was released for Shalit does NOTHING for peace, and perpetuates the cycle of violence. If these people are released, Hamas takes October 7th and their strategy of taking hostages as a win, and clearly a good plan going forward, and gain back people who have successfully in the past caused terror and murder against Israel. How does that help bring forward peace to either side?

Are there people in Israeli detention who should not be there ? I would sincerely hope not, but in all probability, yes. And they deserve a fair hearing and to be released, irrespective of any deal. But that is not what Hamas are after. They don’t care about innocent people caught up in this, they want their terrorists back.