Netanyahu and Hamas

[AdamRyan]

I am very confused about the Israel/Gaza situation and find it almost impossible to read about it without getting tangled up in how people who support the citizens of Gaza are pro hamas/anti semitic etc.

But I've heard from a few places now that Netanyahu actually encouraged Hamas so as to divide Gaza and the West Bank. I'm surprised there hasn't been more made of this as surely this means he has a lot of blood on his hands.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/amp/

Help me understand please.

It's all there for you to do your own research.

So that’s a no on the existence of any evidence then. Everybody knows that all “Jewish friends in Israel” have a direct hotline to Netanyahu and unparalleled access to both his mind and inner circle so I was expecting more tbh.

People said the same thing about the US after 9/11

I think "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." (Hanlon's razor)

Israel is on the side of right in this and Hamas needs to know it cannot do what it did without consequences. It knew full well this would be the Israel 9/11 and that Hamas must now be eliminated.

I think that you have a point there.

In the face of constant threats, it's hubris to believe that even an advanced security infrastructure could catch them all.

Which is why it's dangerous to suggest that Hamas genocidal rhetoric doesn't matter, since "they could never actually do it".

They only need to succeed once.

Imagine posting something inflammatory and quoting 'all my mates' as evidence and then demanding people do their own research.

Hmmmmmmm

Xenia, the Palestinian people are being 'eliminated', not Hamas. But now we are talking about Netanyahu, and other extremists calling for Palestine to be erased off the face of the earth, and those surviving this ethnic cleaning, being relocated to other parts of the world. Do you really think those who survive will just move out and forget about this, forget and forgive? They will never. And this is putting all Jews at massive risk, not 'just' those in Israel. Can't you see this?

@fleurneige at risk from who? Jews in the rest of the world that is?

From Palestinian supporters all over the world- who will never forgive what Netanyahu is doing now. The killing of so many civilians, children, whole families- and now the clear intention to totally destroy Palestine and get all survivors to be relocated out of their own country.

As for Security on the border- it is massive, 3 different barriers, one 20m high, with sensors all along, security cameras, and automatic machine guns. And the border is actually VERY short- and with the right technology, 'easy' to survey 24/7.

You appear to confuse Palestinian civilians with Hamas or are you saying that all the 25000 dead so far were all Hamas terrorists? Are you going to counter argue that it is Hamas' fault for the dead because or the Palestinians voted for them or that they are hiding amongst the civilian population ( although we are continuously told that they are hiding in tunnels).
I listened to Radio 4 today. They played the clip of a Palestinian doctor who had to amputate his niece's leg on a kitchen table without anaesthetic and had to use kitchen tools as instruments. He was a broken man. He couldn't take her to hospital because they would have been fired at by the IDF. You could hear the sounds of explosions outside, Then came the turn of a mother who had to fight for food for her children every single day. The list goes on.
This was followed by two members of the Israeli government who were happily defending this.
Both Hamas and the Israeli government are responsible for the atrocities they have committed and/or are continuing to commit. No one is on the right side when it comes to murdering innocents.

@fleurneige so your blaming Israel for getting attacked. Regardless of how it happened it happened. People were murdered in their beds, their safe houses, were set on fire, were raped. A baby was shot.

So where is the evidence he let it happen then? That all your great mates told you about?

Jesus that's just unbelievable. Such barbarity by Israel I can't even get my head around it.

After listening to their testimonies, I screamed. The worst is that there are thousands of such testimonies; from women having c-sections with no anaesthetics to cancer patients whose treatment have stopped.
The number of civilians who will die because of lack of medicines, food and anything needed to sustain life will run into the thousands. I am sure that a poster will soon reply that Hamas have taken all the aid. It appears that this is the norm here to excuse the Israeli government' s barbarity.

@ChaosHero that was quite a strong statement to make by them don't you think? That all Jews are at risk from Palestinian supporters due to the situation.

Almost like 'the Jews' are a mass.

@Auvergne63 I saw about the doctor who amputated his neices leg at home too in shock. I think it's difficult to even imagine being in such a situation.

Sorry I didn't know you were in the room with me. I would like to know why you are calling me a liar, which is a personal attack.

I guess some people don't realise how upsetting this barbarity is to many people. Some people support it!

I heard about this - amputations and caesarean sections with anaesthesia. Surely you can’t make bombs out of anaesthesia- why isn’t it being allowed through the border controls? Understand inability to take to hospital if it’s being sniped at though.

@ChaosHero if I could like a comment on my phone I would.