Brits fighting in Israel

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Will their British citizenship be revoked? Here is Tamara being glorified in the DM while the likes of Shamima Begum was crucified.

What's the difference between what either of them did because I can't see any and neither should be allowed back.

Well, it's certainly what Haganah, Irgun and the Stern Gang which in part are the forerunners of the IDF did against Palestinian Arabs and the British army. Blowing up the King David Hotel killing 91 Brits, hanging two British soldiers in an olive grove and the ethnic cleansing of Deir Yassin and the massacre at Tantura.Menachem Begin went on to be PM of Israel so terrorism patently did pay.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listof_Irgun_attacks

Yair Netenyahu did his IDF service. He served it in a Comms unit, not a combat unit but not all IDF conscripts serve in a fighting position just as not all British Army recruits are in the infantry.

Why are the Hamas leaders in Qatar and Turkey? Khaled Meshaal hasn't lived in Gaza ever. He has visited but never lived there. He was born in the West Bank and then has lived in Kuwait, Jordan until they expelled him then Syria and Qatar

The country is at war. Israel is calling in all its reserves around the world but Bibi's son gets to stay in Miami sunning himself?

A person upthread said her Rabbi's son had gone. Yet Yair gets a get out clause? I'm sure if I asked the person would say they didn't mind that Bibi's son didn't come back.

If my son was fighting in a war and the commander and chiefs son was uploading photos of himself in Miami whilst my child was on the front line I'd be incredibly angry.

You are clearly nuts. There is a difference between fighting with your country's army and joining a terrorist organisation that cuts off people's heads and throws gay people off buildings. Have a word with yourself.

@headhurtstoomuch

"Yes and the British part of that citizenship should be revoked"

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Sorry but you are just being silly.

Even in Europe the following countries have compulsory military service Lithuania, Denmark, Sweden, Norway, Finland, Latvia, Austria, Greece and Estonia.

Would you strip British citizenship from anyone who had dual citizenship and fulfilled their compulsory military service in their other country.

Awaits a response containing whataboutery, denial of facts, accusations of genocide / racism/ Islamophobia/ cruelty to cats etc - but crucially not actually answering the point.

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She is not Shamina Begum in any sense at all (neve rmind that she has not gone there to breed cubs of the caliphate). First of all she has gone to her own country - I think a lot of these fighters have UK and Israel citizenship so is joining her own war, as it were. Secondly Israel is our friend and a democracy and the UK and many of its people including the UK support Israel. Hamas and ISIS are appalling terrorists organisations.

Its people like you who encourage Jews to move to Israel and join the IDF.

We feel pretty helpless sitting here in the UK or other countries and watching the sheer ignorance coming out of your mouths and keyboards, and at some point it becomes a real threat. Hence security guards outside Jewish synagogues and kindergartens.

Anyway, unless you want to ban dual citizenship, she is doing nothing illegal.

Not sure what Bibis son has to do with it. Presuambly he is an adult and makes his own choices in life. Do you control your adult children?

The leaders of 'the other side' are Hamas who wish to commit genocide by killing ALL Jews. They want all Jewish women and children dead. This makes it very difficult to find a solution unfortunately.
I agree that the majority of Palestinian people are in the middle of this awful conflict, not just because they have been killed by the Israeli army but because their own leaders in Hamas have taken millions of their aid to build themselves lives of luxury, their water pipes to build rockets etc while a massive percentage of the people struggle to live.
Just calling the Israeli people and army the baddies won't help and I'm so tired of reading people's posts condemning Israel and how awful they are whilst coming up with no solutions or condemning Hamas for openly wanting Genocide.

Indeed @twilightmoon3 Menachim Begin was a big fan of the IRA leader Michael Collins and used the code name Michael in his honour. He once said ' If the Palestinians ever find a Collins we are finished'.

750 British soldiers died in that conflict when Palestine was under the British Mandate.

Are you aware that once again Hamas broke the ceasefire on Friday morning by firing rockets into Israel.

There was also a terror attack on Thursday morning that Hamas took credit for. Two terrorists got out of their car at a busy junction at the entrance to Jerusalem and sprayed bullets at people standing at a bus stop killing 3 people. 3 innocent civilians waiting for a bus to take them to work.

This is what Israel is currently fighting against. Terrorists who want to kill every last Jew.

They don't care. Its the devastating truth, I'm afraid.

Although what the IDF are doing is barbaric and morally reprehensible, taking people's passports away for joining them would be wrong.

Why do you call this "lies"?

It's perfectly easy to do a Google search and verify this. For example, Wikipedia lists Ismail Haniyeh as living in Doha, Qatar. Britannica online says Hamas moved its HQ to Qatar in 2012 after being kicked out of Syria. An article in the NY Times describes the life of luxury Hamas leaders enjoy in Qatar and Turkey. I could go on, but you can just as easily look it up yourself.

https://nypost.com/2023/11/07/news/hamas-leaders-worth-11bn-live-luxury-lives-in-qatar/

If she was a Palestinian going back to fight for Hamas would you still call her a terriost?

So many double standards

@Ocani
Meh. What does terrorism even mean these days?

I think if you'd been at Nova Festival, you might be laughing on the other side of your face.

I'm sure you won't bother to watch this sort of thing, maybe he's just too white?

But it does illustrate quite clearly the difference between terrorism and war.

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Wars are barbaric and reprehensible, and sometimes necessary, unfortunately.

@cheshirecatssmile

"If she was a Palestinian going back to fight for Hamas would you still call her a terriost?

So many double standards"

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Errr yes because if a Palestinian girl from the UK went to Gaza to fight for Hamas then she would be joining a proscribed terrorist organisation under UK law. Whereas under UK law the Israeli Army is not a proscribed terrorist organisation.

Now you may agree or disagree with this and view it as double standards but either way it is the UK law and if you choose to go against you will be prosecuted.

I agree. It's a passport not a prefect badge to be taken away if you don't like someone's politics. The Americans did this to Charlie Chaplin when he was out of the country. What is citizenship worth if it is so easily revoked?

Thanks for posting this article, it’s such an interesting read.

So it’s legal for a British person to go to Syria to fight as part of Assad’s army, but not legal to go to Syria to fight the rebels trying to get rid of Assad, despite the fact that Assad is an enemy of Britain and the rebels aren’t.

Sounds like the law’s got a bit out of date.

Its not fucking genocide. To even use that word in relation to Jewish people defending themselves is so fucking anti Semitic.

This. No comparison.

The lady lives in Israel and has to do national service.

No one has to support terrorist groups who behead children.

This girl isn't "going back" anywhere, she has lived there most of her life and is completing her national service.

But yes, If she was going back to fight for hamas I would call her a terrorist, because that's what hamas are... terrorists.

We do have the ability to look up facts, that's why it's silly to make statements like "Prior to modern warfare only soldiers got killed or hurt even in massive campaigns."