Brits fighting in Israel

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Will their British citizenship be revoked? Here is Tamara being glorified in the DM while the likes of Shamima Begum was crucified.

What's the difference between what either of them did because I can't see any and neither should be allowed back.

Videos of them hitting the kidnapped israelians, videos of them celebrating when Jews are killed.

You don't seriously believe Gazans feel all warm and fuzzy about Israelis and condem what was done on 7th October?

They absolutely support them and they'll stop at nothing too. They planned it with Hamas. This wasn't a few freedom fighters it was organised massacre with civilian backing.

Even the children celebrate it

This interview is very interesting, it's in Hebrew but has Spanish subtitles and I could add English subtitles too.

That's very sad 😔

Within Israeli and Palestinian people there are some who must despise each other for various reasons. This conflict has been ongoing for many years and the unfortunate hate is not one sided. Again there are many who don't fall under this category and to label either side of this would be unfair and dangerous

The civilians most likely did not know. How is it possible that normal civilians knew and Mossad didn't get wind of it
Also BBC verify did an article on it which they believe that even some other factions who took part in drills were not aware of the planned attack until the actual day

So you saw 2m people on these videos?
are you saying that all Israel citizens support the tortures and rapes that idf has done ? As I’ve seen people of supporting idf ?

Why are you comparing an army from a democratic country to a terrorist group?

Oh come on, don't be naive. You've only got to look it up to find videos of streets full of jubilant celebration of 7 October. Not only that, but you've only got to see footage of the fences coming down to see that "innocent civilians" surged in en masse to join in the slaughter.

I’m not. But I don’t believe that all Israels support tortures and rapes that some members of idf have done. Same way I don’t believe that all Palestinians are Hamas supporters.

I take it you haven’t been on the thread on this board that’s filled with examples of IDF racism and atrocities?

Exactly.

No, I did not read anything about IDF atrocities.

You are giving palestinian western values from people born in freedom but palestinian have been born with no freedom and with the basics needs not fulfilled as their leaders waste resources, intelligence and young people in plotting a massacre instead of trying to be the next Singapore.

@EasterIssland

"Do you have proof of “most civilians support Hamas”? Somewhere to support this idea??"

They voted them in. They capered and chanted in the streets to celebrate what happened on October 7th. They hide them. Again, they voted them in.

No they didn’t. Ffs.

I won’t continue with this conversation as it’s a derail of the thread.

@Coronawireless

"No they didn’t. Ffs."

They did. They elected a terrorist organisation acting as a political party with an armed wing and a charter seeking the obliteration of Israel. It's a bit patronising of you to suggest otherwise unless you think Islamic regimes require a different standard of democracy. They celebrated the 7th October atrocities. These are matters of fact. Why are you lying? I mean, I know why but it would less cowardly of you to admit it.

There hasn’t been an election in Palestinian for c15 years so the majority haven’t elected Hamas.

@Hobbi exactly. It just doesn't fit peoples narrative. They have huge support as do the other groups.

Gideon Levy gave such an insightful and funny view of Israeli thinking even his children disowned him for it. Thank god for Haaretz. He's probably down a self-hating Jew.
https://twitter.com/think_or_swim/status/1730572946362568981

The brave soldier fighting for her country is someone to be admired. Those instead like Begum and the men who went abroad to fight to establish the Islamic state which glorified public beheadings and the like are terrorists. It is a very simple difference.

Also Hamas is a terrorist organisation under English law (as is ISIS) whereas the state of Israel is not.

I agree that for those who are not Israeli citizens and/or not Ukrainian ones where they go to fight against the Uk's enemies abroad the issues are more complex and indeed usually the UK is not keen people go because the foreign states fighting there such as Russia (our enemy) invading Ukraine are likely to seize on British men who went to fight there on the side of Ukraine, but this is completely differently. The Israeli lady is a citizen of Israel and rightly fighting for her nation and its survival which many of its enemdies want to destroy entirely.

She is to be commended.

"She is to be commended"

I won't be commending anyone who murders innocent men, women and children thank you very much. She is a child murderer just like the rest of the IDF.

When they had a chance, they voted for a terrorist organisation with the open aim of obliteration of Israel and death to all Jews. They rejected the secular alternative which was edging towards some sort of a solution. Again, why do folk give Islamic regimes a pass on their standards of democracy and morality? Is Islam incompatible with democracy? If so, we need Israel in the Middle East more than ever.