Brits fighting in Israel

[headhurtstoomuch]

Will their British citizenship be revoked? Here is Tamara being glorified in the DM while the likes of Shamima Begum was crucified.

What's the difference between what either of them did because I can't see any and neither should be allowed back.

The world would be better off without war. Full stop.

But when your opponent is Hamas, the options are rather limited.

So if there was a full ceasefire tomorrow then this would mean that there would be no more or much reduced Palestinian civilian casualties. BUT it would mean that Hamas stays in power and they would continue with attacks causing further Israeli civilian casualties as they have promised to do.

Or if there was no ceasefire then this would mean that either Hamas are removed from power or at least their ability to cause further attacks on Israeli civilians is much reduced. BUT it would mean that further Palestinian civilian casualties would continue.

So it is simply a question of no / reduced Palestinian casualties but at the cost of further Israeli civilian casualties or no / reduced Israeli civilian casualties but at the cost of further Palestinian civilian casualties.

Yes, they probably don't have a clue that whilst them and their families are struggling to survive, their 'leaders' who have a great deal of responsibility for this are living lives of luxury after stealing their aid, their water pipes and hiding their 'soldiers' amongst their women and children.

This is why I fear this may never come to an end. There doesn't actually seem to be a way out of it, only more and more destruction on both sides.

Excuse after excuse on this thread as to why it’s ok to kill thousands of innocent children and inflict unspeakable torment on many more.

“Because collateral” (only when it’s innocent Palestinian deaths. Innocent Israeli deaths is terrorism).

“Because Hamas” (even though the Hamas leaders don’t even live in Gaza and Israel must know - and has been warned by the US - that it’s behaviour in Gaza is going to create more, not less, anger and extremism)

”Hamas are using them as shields” (Not the fault of the innocent children though, is it?)

”What do you suggest Israel does?” (How about protecting its borders properly and NOT fuelling further extremism and hatred?)

And the media should stop glorifying war and the torture and torment of children by using photos of attractive young women posing in front of weapons.

Israel protects its borders but is then accused of making Gaza an open air prison?

Victim blaming, so it's the fault of Israeli not protecting their borders? What about hamas not going to the neighbours and killing them?

So you therefore think the Palestinian people are aware of what Hamas do?
And I'd think a little more carefully when talking about people not understanding what it is to live through atrocities and be abused through their existence

You don't know anything about me, I did suffer starvation, lack of water and I slept in an old ruined castle with no roof when moving from one country to another with my parents. I did suffer poverty, racism and xenophobia in more than one country.
My parents lived a war and a dictatorship but they taught us how to be critical and how to be empathetic.

There is a very interesting interview in youtube from a gazan who lives in Israel who tells how in the school were taught maths counting jew deaths. How they thought hamas were heroes

@SeeReality
I’m going to stop here too.
Nothing but word twisting to deflect from the unspeakable things Israel is doing.

”Victim blaming” being the latest response to criticism of Israel murdering thousands of innocent children.

@Coronawireless

Seeing as how it seems victim blaming is ok with you, how about Gazans not electing blatant terrorists with a declared agenda of obliteration of all Jewish people, starting with those in Israel. How about that? Does that seem equitable to vile anti-Semites?

You're equating terrorists with an army defending its country!

Hamas are to blame

Don't make assumptions.

Is victim blaming when you say it's Israel fault for not protecting their borders.
What will be next? Blaming the young people dancing? How dare them enjoying music?
What epukd you prefer? A world dominated by hamas? So we all live in a caliphate where people are killed because they dance ? How can you defend a terrorist group when they want to kill all Jews? And also any democratic and free life? I can't understand it, I really can't.

Does it really matter how your loved one is killed at the hands of another? A dead person is still a dead person regardless of the method the murderer uses, the Isreali government don't get a get out of jail free card just because of what Hamas did, 2 cheeks of the same arse in my opinion

Israel reckons there are 30-40,000 Hamas terrorists and reckon they've killed about 3,500 so far. They have destroyed 55,000 buildings and killed around 15,000 civilians. Since their stated objective is to completely eradicate Hamas that means we are around 10% through that task. So by these metrics, they will completely destroy Gaza and kill around 150,000 civilians. That probably doesn't include the utter humanitarian catastrophe that the lack of food, water, electricity and a functioning healthcare system will bring. Reminds me of the US Vietnam War mantra it became necessary to destroy the town in order to save it.

As James O'Brien said on his show this morning no one can honestly say that concern for civilian casualties is a thing anymore.

This argument doesn't hold anymore, if it ever did.
Washington post"
"The election yielded a shock victory for Hamas, which won the most seats with some 44 percent of the vote. Lara Friedman, president of the Foundation for Middle East Peace, which advocates for rapprochement and peace between Israelis and Palestinians, recently observed that in no single district in Gaza did Hamas win a majority of votes. At present, children make up roughly half of Gaza’s population, meaning only a fraction of the territory’s current population ever cast a ballot for Hamas."

I think I read somewhere about 1.3 million gazans could vote at the time, last elections being in 2006!! Of that about 78% voted and hamas won 44% of those votes. So most of those now being collectively punished, didn't even vote them in.