Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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Some of the released hostages have said they were well treated. Others that they were horribly abused. None should have been taken hostage.

Evil POS Hamas leader Sinwar has released his first official statement since October 7.

Are you for real? I said people who are unable to have a reasonable, measured conversation. People who come on threads with unrelated statements and whataboutery. People who accuse everyone of every sin on earth as soon as someone suggest a viewpoint different from theirs. Spewing same stuff over and over again.

People who cant read or comprehend English.

That can't possibly be correct - wasn't it Yagil who was filmed a couple of weeks ago saying how great Hamas had been and how grateful he was to them? And then posters on here said something along the lines of "See! They're being well taken care of!" and then obviously today we've had the "look at how they're waving at the captors! It's almost like they're friends". So they can't possibly have been subjected to branding by exhaust pipes, surely?

I hope these two boys and the rest of the released hostages manage to somehow move past this in the future. I don't know how they ever will, but I hope they do. I can't even begin to imagine what they must be feeling or going through right now

@localnotail that's what I think when I see Hersch's mum. The dignity with which she holds herself despite all that is going on around her.

Yes, I am real.

I can read and comprehend English, thanks, it's my first language and I have studied to post-grad level.

And the impression I got from your post is that anyone criticising Israel and the IDF's response to the Hamas atrocities are Putin bots, naive, or anti-Semitic.

Glad to know that wasn't what you were saying.

It is possible to disagree with the actions of both sides.

Fancy being a shill for rapists and pretending it's wrapped up in fairness and a good move for human rights.

Imagine how awful that would be../.

Yes, it's possible to disagree with both sides. There is a time and a place for everything though. This isn't the place for talking about all of Israel's failings. It's a bit like going to a wedding and discussing the groom's ex-fiancee with the bride. It's just not the done thing.

This thread was created to balance out the other thread on here which is about what you seem to be after - criticism of Israel. Yet this is the thread you pounce on, not the other one.

I don't agree with everything Israel says or does but this is not the place for me to be discussing this. So I don't.

I don't know how she does it. I worry for the day that she cracks. Hopefully they have lots of support in place. Absolutely heartbreaking

I have read a lot of stuff relating to the 7th October attacks. Some information from pathologists, some from the solders who were there first. And its not something I thought humans could do to one another, especially not what people can do to children, to pregnant women, to old people. This is not war -which it itself is horrible. This is not fighting, not even collateral damage. Its something else entirely -deliberate, sadistic, medieval hate and brutality worthy of a horror film. I honestly think Hamas are not human, and this kind of where my feelings are about them and about anyone who supports them or sympathises with them.

Well, that's one perspective.

But the reality is the horrendous acts of Hamas are being used to justify a reaction. And ignoring the victims of that reaction mean placing a different value on the life on one human over another

Well, yes... Of course there was a reaction to the mass-slaughter and mass-kidnapping.

No one is ignoring Palestinian victims. This is just not the thread to discuss them on. This is, in fact, one of very few threads not about them.

The only people valuing Palestinians as less than Israelis is Hamas. They're the ones who have, rather obscenely, decided they're worth 1/3 of an Israeli?! And the world just goes along with it. All of a sudden the talk of proportionality has stopped. It's all sorts of fucked up.

@localnotail I am the same as you particularly in light of the damage that they have caused all their victims and Continue to do so whether they are Israelis' or Palestinians.

Another way of looking at the prisoner exchanges is that the Israeli government recognises that the 80% of Palestinian prisoners who are held without trial are no threat to Israel and are being held without justification

Sure.

Remember when Gilad Shalit was exchanged for 1027 prisoners including the guy who just called 7th of October a rehearsal?

So 1026 prisonners should have been kept in prison to prevent one from potentially being a threat?

I'm sorry but are you actually for real now? Do you really think the other 1026 were innocent little lambs?

Anyway, that's not really relevant to the topic at hand which is Hamas' disgusting actions this time around.

I thought you weren't on any one side. Was that a lie or are you just expressing yourself incredibly clumsily now?

I think the life of one person is not inherently worth more than the life of another, based on nationality, religion, or any other measure.

Of course my family and friends matter more to me than random and unrelated people.

'innocent little lambs' - well, as I have pointed out, Israel puts many Palestinians in prison with administrative detention, with no trial. Some may be hard core terrorists, others threw stones at Israeli soldiers in illegally occupied Palestinian land, others were simply caught up when going about their daily business

Not being on one side - well, I completely condemn Hamas's murder and kidnap.

And condemn the actions of the Israeli state when it commits human rights abuses and ignores international law

I'm not sure about non human but they certainly have a different morality to decent people

It was heartbreaking watching family reunions in the news tonight

I can't imagine the pain all round, caused by those morally bereft terrorists

Yes but you've clearly said Israel was looking for an excuse to "react", which surely means you think they're at fault for all of this. So you're not some kind of neutral party like you were pretending to be to begin with. Why did you even pretend? It doesn't make any sense. Are you ashamed of your actual opinion or something? And if so, why? Why not just say it loud and proud - that you think Israel are ultimately responsible for Hamas' slaughter of innocent people in Israel.

If that's not what you think, why are you making it sound like that's what you think? Why did you bother saying that Israel was clearly looking to "justify a reaction"?

No, Israel is not responsible for the horrendous murder and torture committed by Hamas on 7/10.

Palestinian civilians killed - especially the thousands of children killed - are not reponsible for the attack by the IDF in response.

I don't think I did say that? Please quote my words

No, you're right. They're not. That's been discussed plenty across basically every other thread on here. If that's what you want to talk about, feel free to do so. Just not on here. Here, we're trying to talk about Hamas' awful actions. Feel free to join in with that. You seem passionate about the topic so you must have a few examples of your own you could share. There are plenty to choose from and no one is even asking you to look further back than 7th October.

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Well, that's one perspective.

But the reality is the horrendous acts of Hamas are being used to justify a reaction. And ignoring the victims of that reaction mean placing a different value on the life on one human over another"