Documenting the horror that is Hamas

[Brumbies]

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Does anyone know anything about an activist called Farrah Koutteineh? ('Key48' founder). She was appearing at a fundraiser for medical aid for Palestinians in Ireland the other day. From what I can gather she is an out-and-out anti-Semite and Hamas apologist who had called for the eradication of the state of Israel. I'm trying to establish why she was invited to an event raising money to help the displaced Palestinian families and bombing victims.

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I don't see myself on a 'side'

I hurt for all the families who have suffered.

Taking a side means minimising the pain of others

and you're a hypocrite who is telling us how to post while you spend most of your time on gossip. Who are you to question what other people focus on in this conflict when you waste time on that?

You don't take a side, right. So surely you'll be on other threads going 'but what about the israelis' when someone talks about idf actions? Doubt it somehow

Most welcome, @Brumbies . I was very nervous opening the links too, as I don't want to see fottage of atrocities, so I thought a summary might be useful to other posters.

@parksandrecs , this thread is about Hamas atrocities. There are others about the war crimes IDF has committed. Replying to every post about the horrors of the October 7th attack with "don't dead Palestinian babies count?" is ridiculous and makes you look like a Hamas apologist.

Of course the heavy civilian casualties from the war between Hamas and Israel are obscene. No one says otherwise. Deaths of civilians are tragedies. Wars fought not between armies but in built up areas are devastating.

Something Hamas was counting on when it launched its attack.

So Hamas have taken responsibility for the terrorist attack in Jerusalem. what does that mean for the ceasefire?

I don't tell anyone how to post

I do ask why some posts prioritise one child over another .

I dothink that states have a higher responsibilty in their behaviour than individuals, which is why I am oppossed to e.g.the death penalty for murder.

Oh gawd.

I could post on threads where people agree with me, and ignore people who disagree.

But I don't think that takes us any further forward

Wars fought not between armies but in built up areas are devastating.

Something Hamas was counting on when it launched its attack.

Agree, they have sacrificed the defenceless Palestinians to a retribution that they knew would be devastating. Those people have never been anything but pawns.

Please clarify? I want to understand other points of view

I dothink that states have a higher responsibilty in their behaviour than individuals

Hamas are the elected government of Gaza. They aren't "individuals".

And supported by Israel in order to undermine the Palestinian Authority

Every thread

Every fuckjng thread

Anyway, best to ignore the derailer.

I'm seeing on Twitter that the hamas men who shot people at a bus stop in Jerusalem were recently released prisoners as part of the hostage deal? Seems to me they are doing their best to provoke Israel into taking action. Palestinians not dying for this long doesn't suit their aims, they need bloodshed and have openly stated as much.

Ceasefire is only in Gaza

Not in Jerusalem or WB

What threads? I have only just started posting.As I said,from the Iraqui Jewish diaspora

Ignore the derailer, don’t give it oxygen.

@KatBurglar very helpful indeed, thank tou.

thank you @Efacsen would it not risk it at all or is it expected? Theres still so many hostages I am nervous how long this will all last

you're just here derailing a thread and talking about royal gossip! what a hypocrite.

There is no royal gossip here.
What someone says on another unrelated and presumably light-hearted thread is not relevant to this one. Nor would the fact that they are on a frivolous thread elsewhere mean it is hypocritical of them to speak of suffering on another.

That poster has been perfectly measured and very thoughtful in their answers too.

On this thread derailing is considered to be anything that is outside the specific subject of Hamas’s atrocities and the effects on their victims.

It is one thing and understandable imo to dedicate a thread to this, to want to bear witness to the horror suffered by the victims, but I personally was caught short by the mention of the Israeli child bleeding to death in the most abhorrent and tragic circumstances, while no one thought to mention too the many many terrified little Palestinian children who have also bled to death from parts of their bodies being amputated by bombings. Call that derailing if you will.

You think derailing talk about Hamas atrocities with IDF's civilian casualties of war is taking us further forward?

According to BBC Verify, Hamas had been running training sessions with 20 other terrorist organisations for THREE years, rehearsing the October 7th attacks. This was a long-planned strategy to murder and torture the maximum number of people in the shortest time while taking hostages to use as human shields scattered across Gaza.

They knew damned well Israel would mount a full on war in retaliation. Theey hide among civilian populations and don't care how many Palestinians die as a result. Hamas wants this.

The poor Palestinians are acceptable collateral damage to Hamas.

The only way to find peace is to recognise the humanity of your 'enemies'. I am sorry that this is so threatening that you have toconsider it 'derailing'.

This thought is obviously too uncomfortable for you to comtemplate.

I wish you and your families all the besr.

Over and out

Won't risk it at all

But ATM ceasefire ends in 12 hours

What I post here isn't relevant to any other thread either and that poster is the one that came here to tell others where else to post! So all I did was do the same.

On this thread derailing is considered to be anything that is outside the specific subject of Hamas’s atrocities and the effects on their victims.

Correct, its what the thread is about. Replying to every post with 'what about the Palestinians' does nothing to resolve any conflict and only inflames, deliberately so. Derailing is against the guidelines if you consistently and deliberately do so.

I'm afraid that if every time someone expresses empathy with jewish people suffering, someone instantly says 'but you should empathise with other people equally' then I think its from an anti semitic place. Especially as they're not doing it to the people solely on threads empathising with people of Gaza and not doing so to Israelis.