Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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I’m not clicking a random link without even a title or description - can you tell us what it is or add any context or comment?

I agree with you OP, but I’m never going to click on random tiktok threads.

Sick fucks.

I agree OP.

The desperate attempts to divert from the absolute horror that Hamas committed, the desperate attempts to remove blame from Hamas by invoking ' 'context' for their brutality. The absolute refusal to hold in focus what Hamas did on October 7th, both to Israelis and their own people.

Its disgusted me. I actually hope those posters have not actually read what Hamas actually did, because if they did and they still made posts like they do, they are well on the way to having the psychology Hamas have that enables them to commit these barbarities.

Will you contribute positively to a thread about IDF atrocities? and not downplay them?

What Hamas has done is barbaric, appalling, and unacceptable. No qualification.

Let's also be as clear when others commit atrocities.

The only way forward is for everyone involved to see each other as human beings.

The civilian population - a huge % children - of Gaza is living with absolute horror they are not responsible for. Just as the civilians murdered, tortured and kidnapped by the victims of October 7th were not responsible for the horrific things that happened to them.

what a weird thing to post. Please don't @ me again. Stop derailing.

I quoted you to provide context, I didn't @ you

Scratch, scratch, scratch 🎶

Why is that weird? Hamas doesn't see Israelis as valuable/valid human beings because they are Jewish/Zionist. The IDF doesn't see Palestinian youths as valuable/valid human beings becuase they are Palestinian/want independence.

I can't see the difference.

? Please explain?

My family are part of the Iraqi Jewish diaspora.

I’ve skipped to the end before starting from the beginning to ask- could you outline what we’re going to see if we click on the links?

I’d like a heads up as to whether it’s film of atrocities, a discussion, report, update etc. just so I can decide whether it’s something I’ll be able to process healthily.

I’ve managed to avoid most very graphic stuff so far.

Some are living in Israel, and we worry about their safety. Most have chosen to live elsewhere in the past 20-30 years because they don't support the way Palestinians are being oppressed by the Israeli state

But this is dishonest. This is not what has happened. You are talking as if both sides of the debate have behaved the same. One side just decided to focus on Israel, the other on Palestine. And that is not what has happened.

But what happened is one of the world's most appalling atrocities was committed against ordinary and innocent civilians, and the other side either immediately celebrated the attacks, or immediately started denying atrocities happened, immediately started quibbling over the details of the atrocities, immediately started to demand ' context' to ' understand' the rapist, torturing murderers, immediately started calling accounts of the attacks 'evil propaganda' , immediately starting organising marches that did not recognise at all the atrocities that took place and the victims of them and immediately started marching alongside those celebrating the attacks and holding anti-semitic placards, and started tearing down posters of the hostages. I could go on.

So no, those asking for people to understand what Hamas did not, and are not behaving the way the 'other side' did.

There is no equivalence here and its dishonest to post as if there is.

I am old. Over the years, without particularly seeking them out, I have heard things about different wars and the things which people do to one another. Deliberately I have not clicked on most of the links but I clicked on this one. I don't know if the rescuer lady was a few inches away from the little girl, still dealing with the tourniquet, or had fixed it and was holding her closely, but I hope the little girl had a sense that help and love had come to find her.

Added to that, there are left wingers who
are also down playing the massacre.
Some are complicit in their silence,
others more vocal.
Jewish people must feel they've got it
Coming at them from all angles.

The worst, for me, is seeing the
Constant rebuttal of the reality of 7/10.
The main reason for that is that the footage was withheld. That's how
bad it actually was.

Administrative detention in the West Bank? 80% of the detainees released by Israel for the Hamas kidnapped victims have not been charged, let alone convicted. That has been going on for years. That is not the responsibility of those murdered or kidnapped by Hamas.

But it is not in line with international law.

The IDF shooting and killing children throwing stones?

The internationally illegal settlements on the West Bank, that are suported by the IDF?

I haven't downplayed the horro of 7/10. Innocent people murdered, raped, or tortured. Completely horrific and wrong

will you contribute positively about IDF atrocities?

Which thread? There are so many of them, saying the same thing.

As I said, I am part of the Iraqui Jewish diaspora. OUr human rights (and citizenship) abolished, and we were lucky to be able to leave.

Zionism contributed to that.

And having been expelled, many have not chosen to live in Israel because we don't agree with the Zionists who use biblical references to justify occupation.

The Palestinain people are a mirror to us and our rights

I never said you personally did. Many, many have though. Many, many on this thread.

What you are doing though, when people are trying to bear witness to the victims and what they suffered on October 7th, is saying ' What about IDF! What about IDF!'

What you are doing here is a diversion technique. Your actions are intended to divert attention away from the victims on October 7th, to disrupt the attempt to bear witness. So yes, come to think of it, you are amongst those I outlined in my previous post.

All of this has been said, repeatedly.
The OP started this thread to highlight
how horrific Hamas are.
Now, with all this whataboutery, it makes you start wondering just how much
some people's expression of disgust for them, is genuine.

Yes, Hamas are disgusting.

But I think the whataboutery is coming from you

Of course you do.