Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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I was referring to Sharon Cunio and the other hostages who said they were all held in hospitals, not the Regevs.

We need to sit some people down and make them watch this

https://twitter.com/Claire_V0ltaire/status/1735500689449578843

www.instagram.com/reel/C1aH6IJt_bB/?igsh=bXprZ2NiYTEzdTZ1

A positive post but showing the affect Hamas have.

Awesome, what a hero.

Brave man

I actually feel quite shaky after reading this. My worst fears for them

https://twitter.com/HenMazzig/status/1743025263749845493

Thanks for sharing @stomachamaleon

💔

Sorry if this has already been shared, I am too scared to read through this thread.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bearing_Witness_(2023_film)

The last bit is interesting:
Within Israel, there was debate around publicly releasing the graphic footage. Proponents, such as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, argued the brutal images would rally international backing for Israel's cause by offering incontrovertible evidence of Hamas' atrocities. They contend it is vital for the world to witness these horrific crimes firsthand. However, opponents such as mental health experts raised concerns about further traumatizing a population still reeling from the attacks and warned the film's impact would quickly fade from the news cycle.

The Hamas footage we have is presumably only what was found on dead Hamas. Which means there's plenty we don't have access to. And as more witnesses share their stories, I keep stumbling across new horrific accounts that I wish I hadn't read.

I think there are arguments for both sides. Yes it makes sense to release footage and it certainly would have stopped the uncertainty.

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It bugs me that people think they have the right to everything. If they don't see it they don't believe it. I think of Hersch with his arm blown off and Naama in her bloodied trackies. If they are released those images stay.

It disgusts me the inhumanity shown to the hostages.

Sharon Cunio was held in a home. It was only when next door was bombed and she was injured by flying glass, including some that was embedded in her head that she was taken to a hospital for treatment. Hamas let her husband accompany her in the ambulance as they were being held captive together. It was at the hospital they were reunited with their daughter Emma. They then were at the hospital until they were released during the ceasefire, presumably because Sharon was still recovering from her injuries.

Once again, taking a prisoner to a hospital for medical care is the bare minimum you are supposed to do. Taking Sharon to the hospital and allowing her husband and daughter to be with her was not a misuse of the hospital under international law.

So? Are you suggesting that Hamas should be even more inhumane and seperate hostages from each other that might be each others’ moral support, or translates for each other?

The last analysis I saw of that footage said it was inclusive as to whether the upright hostage was been half carried/helped in or being “manhandled.” Have you read anything more recent?

It wasn’t “weeks” most of their time they were held above ground in homes.

They also did receive medical treatment. It was only after the home next to where they were was destroyed in a bomb and some flying glass cut them up, and some glass got embedded in Sharon’s head that they were taken to a hospital for treatment. The hospital is where they were reunited with their daughter Emma.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/survivor-testimonies/1703509669-i-die-of-fear-every-day-released-hostage-sharon-aloni-cunio-on-her-husband-s-faith-in-gaza

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2023-12-11/exclusive-gaza-captivity-was-russian-roulette-freed-israeli-hostage-says

POWs are captured soldiers, Hamas does have some POWs. Taking POWs is not a violation of international law. Hamas’ treatment of POWs may violate the Geneva Convention in some respects, although we don’t have much information as to how many they have. In addition, Hamas can’t keep them away from the conflict zone because IDF have put a siege on Gaza and all of it is a conflict zone. There is nowhere safe to go for anyone.

POWs are separate from Hostages, which are illegal to kidnap under international law and a war crime.

No one is saying the hostages are POWs. What is being said is that it is a requirement of international law to ensure that any injured prisoners, whether hostages or POWs or detainees, receive adequate medical care. This includes taking them to a hospital. It is not a violation of international law or evidence of using hospitals as military bases of operations to take a hostages either singly or in groups for some or all to receive medical care.

Not exactly. Hamas controlled the black market, if you did not comply with Hamas there was no black market for you either. You would be reliant on UNWRA and living off aid.

Five posts back to back to downplay the actions of Hamas. Ever-so-subtly so that it doesn't read like actual full-blown support, just enough to distract and make then sound not quite so bad.

Yes it would be.
But if we are to apply this analogy to my response then a better fit is video of someone describing being raped, with a caption condemning the rapist for not killing her and saying it’s a crime to have left her alive.

Because that is what I was responding to. A caption claiming that it is a war crime to get a shot, severely injured hostage medical care in a hospital. When it’s not a war crime, but the bare minimum they should be doing.

Condemning Hamas for getting hostages medical care, it puts them in a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation. And so we know Hamas is still connected to the world. It may seem like you are hitting back at Hamas to condemn them getting hostages medical care, but my concern is that if i say nothing and don’t let you know no it’s not a crime, then my silence will endanger the hostages still there, that are under increasing risk of being injured. Condemning them getting hostages medical care, even saving their lives at times, that just gives them a reason to not get hostages medical care which means they’d be in even more danger. We shouldn’t be adding to the danger by encouraging Hamas to not get medical care for hostages. The hostages come first to my mind. Condemning Hamas is #2 behind trying to get as many hostages home alive.

I saw the footage of a hostage, ambulatory and in no obvious need of any medical attention, being dragged through Al Shifa hospital by a group of men, one of whom was carrying a machete.

Maybe they were just really, really keen to get him medical treatment?

And here you are again, back to remind people, repeatedly and insistently, that the metaphorical rapists are actually not as bad as people claim they are.

I sorry you see it that way. I am not downplaying Hamas crimes at all, I am
pointing out that certain actions being called crimes are not crimes and I do believe condemning Hamas for getting hostages medical care actually puts the hostages in more danger than they already are. We should be encouraging Hamas to do the basic legally required care for hostages. We know they have been held for almost three months now. While we fight for them to be released, we should be aware of what they are suffering and not say or post things that can make conditions worse for them or perhaps even endanger their lives.

Sorry, did you reply to the wrong post? Your allegations seem way out there.

Just wondering why you are so keen to defend Hamas, that's all.

I saw a man between two other men being hastened into the hospital. It’s not clear that he was ambulatory or uninjured because there is no video footage of him walking unaided. Are you aware of the internal or head injuries that can occur when within a blast? These are not as visible as missing limbs and trails of blood.

I’m not defending Hamas. I’m speaking up for the hostages. To assert their legal right to medical care while being held hostage. To reassure you that it is not a crime for Hamas to get their hostages medical care in a hospital.

Not one injured hostage including those with gun shot wounds has seen the Red Cross which was a condition of the last ceasefire. So don't blame me if I doubt the sincerity of their actions.

@Hellenika and I doubt your good faith repeating that rubbish on this thread.