Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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Regardless of who you were quoting, I was responding to that focus which was in your post. It’s not what I personally chose to focus on from the linked interview. That focus was already on the thread and reacted to by other posters before I also reacted to it.

Yet here we all are talking about that but not the rest of the video

Keeps happening that

And if your response to someone describing how they were raped was to repeatedly empathise how it's important to remember that the rapist left them alive and was actually following the law by doing so, that would be quite disturbing.

Yes, exactly. That’s all you were doing, and as you say, pointing out facts has nothing to do with not holding Hamas accountable.

I am sorry if I gave the impression you were not doing this. This response on my part was not to you but to those interpreted your explanations differently.

@TriOptimim good point.

However, it seems clear that when Hamas took the brother and sister to the hospital to be attended to by the doctor it was to save their lives.

A few pages upthread I posted an interview with Sharon Aloni Cunio. She and her husband and their 2 children were held for weeks in a room in a hospital, after being transferred there by ambulance from a private home. They did not receive medical treatment. What's your excuse for that?

There are other hostages who have also said they were in hospital, despite not being injured.

That’s not using a hospital as a base of operations. Under international law, Hamas had to provide adequate medical care for any hostages/POWs they have taken prisoner.

See my comment above to ScrollingLeaves.

And let's not forget the cctv footage from Shifa which showed one injured and one uninjured Thai hostage who was manhandled and dragged through the corridors.

Not Hamas but Hezbollah but still proxy of Iran and part of this conflict etc. Therefore here seems to be the best place for this article

https://www.memri.org/reports/hizbullah-facing-criticism-lebanon-firing-rockets-south-lebanon-villages-thus-endangering

Oh dear. This thread has taken a very predictable turn.

According to the ICRC definition of a PoW, Hamas don't hold any. They just have hostages. That includes the soldiers who were taken. They're not there as PoW as they're not being treated as PoW. They're illegally taken hostages. Every single one of them.

I hope that helps explain why defending any of Hamas' actions is a bit of a joke.

Saleh Al-Arouri: "A total war has become inevitable. We all consider it necessary. We want it. At the resistance axis, the Palestinian people, and our nation, we want this total war. It is not [just] something we say in the media. We talk about it behind closed doors. We are meeting with all the parties that [will take part] in this total war, and we are discussing together the different scenarios and possibilities. We are convinced that it is possible for us... Not that it is possible. We will certainly defeat them."

(Just to make it clear as apparently earlier it was thought I made a comment that was in fact a quote from a tweet. The above is a quote from one of various interviews with the latest dead Hamas fuckwit leader. There are plenty more in the link)

https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas-political-bureau-deputy-chairman-saleh-al-arouri-killed-lebanon-%E2%80%93-clips-memri-tv

Full 30 minute interview with Mia Schem:

I watched the whole thing and it was very upsetting at points but also very powerful. Well worth watching.

No, I never said it was ok to kidnap if you are really nice, nor did I imply it.

I stated facts gleaned from listening to the interview. The girl was dying and told her brother she was. She was dying because some evil Hamas person had shot her before she was captured and handed on to other terrorists. The boy was wounded in his leg. G Toby’s was because an evil Hamas terrorist had shot him in the leg before capturing him and handing him on to another terrorist together with his sister .

In captivity, she told her brother she knew she was about to die, tgat she loved him and to say good bye to their parents for her. Her brother shouted at Hamas and said they had to do something to save her.

One (or some of) the Hamas terrorist captors took them to the hospital where a doctor took steps which meant neither died.

Fact.

Why? I don’t know. It could well be that it was because they were more valuable to Hamas alive. It could be another reason.

The caption on the Twitter video though gives no sense of what happened or why.

They did not receive medical treatment. What's your excuse for that?

a. I was not ‘excusing’ Hamas for taking the brother and sister to the hospital. I was relating the reason why Hamas did this based on what the brother and sister had said in the video.

b. In this case, the one I was referring to, the brother and sister speaking in the video said that in the hospital they were treated by a doctor.

The sister had been sure she was dying.
Now she is alive, thank goodness.

Your made up interpretation of what I said. Nor what I actually did say.

It could be another reason.

Such as?

When your response to seeing that video was yes they attacked her however they also treated her it's hardly a wild interpretation.

I don’t know why. None of us can.It seems possible it was because of their value as live hostages, but Hamas also killed people rather than take them hostage.

The point is they took the brother and sister to the hospital for medical treatment when the caption/tweet posting the video of the brother and sister only said Hamas disguised them as corpses to hide their Hamas crimes; and that they were there to use the hospital as their Hamas headquarters.

From this tweet you would not know the captive brother and sister were taken there for urgent treatment which did take place.

Hamas and their ilk are animals. Delighted to see they are being taken out one by one by the Israelis

So you're happy to see innocent babies, children and people being killed?

I guarantee it wasn't from the goodness of their hearts.

Why would you come on a thread about Hamas committed by Hamas, watch a video where someone details how they suffered at the hands of Hamas, and say 'yes bt they gave them medical treatment'? Why is your first response when hearing about a traumatic experience to find something "good" the perpretrators did to the victim?

"A huge social gap opened between the wealthy elite who belong to Hamas and the rest of the population who were increasingly living in driving poverty. Public sector jobs were limited to Hamas members, and taxes were increasing on necessities day by day, even as the cost of living skyrocketed.

Many of us could no longer bear it. I was one of them.

Though we knew dissenters were subject to imprisonment, torture, and even murder, in 2019, a few of us decided to join forces and form a protest to voice our opposition to Hamas. We called it the "We Want to Live" demonstration. Our demonstration elicited an extreme reaction by Hamas. They violently cracked down on the protests and we were all arrested.

I will never forget my first day in jail—walking up the steps listening to screams of my colleagues, most of them fellow students, who had been arrested before me. I was held under arrest for 21 days and subjected to various types of torture. I was beaten with batons and sprayed with cold water in the late winter night hours. My friends didn't fare much better. A Christian friend was in the next cell and I could hear them screaming at him, "You are a Christian and you don't like the situation? Then go to another country!"

https://www.newsweek.com/hamas-tortured-me-dissent-heres-what-they-really-think-palestinians-opinion-1857169

It can only be good for ordinary Palestinian people for hamas to go.

@XRAYTHIS i quite agree, but not at any cost to civilian life

@XRAYTHIS absolutely. People forgot (or don't know) that Gaza had an enormous amount of wealth. Swathes if it.

Providing you cooperated. Ordinary people left destitute and reliant on a black market and Hamas rollling in it.