Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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Someone else suggested a similar thing about the culture being different on another thread, can't remember which one, there's so many, and had a pile on being called racist, islamophobic etc.

I agree with you though, women appear to be seen as brood mares, having large numbers of children, children are used, taught hatred, put in front of the men, used to further their aims quite callously sometimes. Called martyrs to the cause.

Yes hamas and the other ordinary Palestinian men would do it again. The joy and shouts to their God as they raped and killed like it was a day out of fun leaves no doubt. That's not resistance it's evil.

Hamas still hide in their tunnels and leave their women and children to take the brunt of the war. Cowardly scum. They would quite happily, and did kill others at the festival, of other nationalities, other faiths, they didn't care who, children, women, civilians, foreign workers they are sick. Nothing good will come from hamas who have cynically used women and children for years. The leaders are worst still safe in their luxury, despicable men. As long as they control gaza there will never be peace.

I pressed send too quickly. The Israeli government needs to sit down with mediators and get its hostages home and work on a plan to go forward. Lots of children are dying whilst hamas appears to be hiding in the tunnels, looking at the breakdown of figures of people who have died. Hamas benefit from this.

Clear borders need sorting with Israel asking for Arab nations to help them by peace keeping gaza. Investigations of war crimes need to be carried out independently. Going area to area trying to work out who are hamas and who are ordinary men, hamas wear civilian clothing so impossible task.

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Talks happening in Egypt right now. I'm praying for an outcome that gets the hostages home, ends the current conflict and gives some sort of pathway for all civilians in the region to live in peace.
It's such a horror show currently - the huge death rate and suffering in Gaza and the ever-mounting toll of young Israeli men. Very hard to even witness.

One of best comparisons. slogans is HAMAS = ISIS. This kind of fundamentalist Islam is utterly terrible. We saw it in the so called Islamic state when yazidi girls were takes as sex slaves and the grooming of young boys to be cubs of the caliphate.

This is interesting on the subject of Hamas and ISIS similarities and differences. It speaks about similar tactics and the adoption of rape attacks. Plus mentions that hundreds of Palestinians became ISIS fighters at one point (Something I had heard mention of before many times in articles). This means it does make sense tactics would be taken back to Gaza and used.

https://theconversation.com/is-hamas-the-same-as-isis-the-islamic-state-group-no-and-yes-219454

@Stomacharmeleon The PCPSR https://www.pcpsr.org/ are generally taken as an important reference. It really is worthwhile reading their reports. Any mainstream take is going to be somewhat selective, but for example: Palestinians support Hamas decision to go to war with Israel https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/21/middleeast/palestinians-back-hamas-survey-intl-cmd/index.html 

The Israeli situation with respect to the West Bank is much clearer and well documented. They've elected governments that have allowed the settlement and land transfer to proceed, and actively support with IDF. Again, with a quick search you'll find a lot of material. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2016/03/08/the-peace-process-settlements-and-u-s-support/

All the Islamic fundamentalist groups are terrible, to their own civilians and wishing to wipe out everyone that doesn't have their medieval outlook.

The activist Medea Benjamin was verbally abused. Simply for asking for a ceasefire at the Pro Israel rally in Washington last month.

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I repeat what I said earlier for those who may have ignored missed it:
It's disgusting whoever says it.

What point are you trying to score make on this thread?

The activist Medea Benjamin was verbally abused. Simply for asking for a ceasefire at the Pro Israel rally in Washington last month.

Unpleasant for her. Not remotely comparable to being violently raped, tortured and murdered.

Goodness some people are really struggling with reading today... here it is again above .....

I also don't see the point of this mention in the context of the conversation people were having???

Two wrongs don't make a right

As some say vile things shouted in the street are not the same as torture, rape and murder

Nobody is or has condoned anyone shouting for women to be raped, not on this thread from what I have read

It is just a very lame, insensitive, unequal and blatant attempt at whataboutism

Someone asked for evidence, I posted it. Also countering the insinuations that ScrollingLeaves somehow misremembered.

Personally I think the person you have supplied evidence to vindicate is the issue, not you.

However you can surely see that they were just whataboutism and not adding to the conversation but belittling torture and rape. Two wrongs don't make a right and these things are not equal by a long way anyway.

But what actual point are you trying to make? The fact that this happened means what to you that’s important enough to make people reading the thread aware of?

I see the code pink "activist" has moved on from asking Ukraine for a ceasefire

Did she ask Ukraine for a ceasefire! Russian forces invaded Ukraine 🇺🇦

@XRAYTHIS She did and was rightly pilloried for it

Seems she's moved on to the next "cause"

If you choose to apply the same reasoning and claim that it isn't comparable, you can also apply it to anyone who claims that the genocide occurring in Gaza isn't comparable to the genocide that Hamas intends to perform against Israel. (Before you misread what I wrote, let me clarify that I do not believe that genocide against any nation or state is acceptable.)

Thank you for finding that as I have been trying to find the thread where I saw it as I saw one person had not believed me.

The point was the extreme hate being projected on a peace protesting Jewish woman by other young Jewish women, in a Western democratic country. It included wishing rape on her. It was not what you normally expect to see. It is not always just Hamas who have uncivilised views.

Frankly Hamas can have as many uncivilised views as they like, who the fuck cares what their views are or what the fuckwits say. We were talking about their actions. It is their actions that they take because of those views that are the issue. If they have on 7th October stood at the border and shouted about torture, rape and murder then you could make your comparison and I would not challenge it. I don't think anyone here would challenge it either. However that is not what happened and that is not what the conversation is about.

If you choose to apply the same reasoning and claim that it isn't comparable, you can also apply it to anyone who claims that the genocide occurring in Gaza isn't comparable to the genocide that Hamas intends to perform against Israel.

This whole comparison is a silly and deliberate distraction from the very serious events being discussed on this thread. An activist being verbally abused on another continent has exactly zero to do with any of it.

It is not always just Hamas who have uncivilised views.

If only they'd stuck to "having views".

No problem at all, I've seen you on other threads and you are always neutral and always post sources.

I agree with your last point above too.

The point I'm trying to make is that it is a febrile highly charged situation for all sides. Medea obviously triggered the attendees of the march in Washington.

In the same way someone with friends and family killed in Palestine may be triggered by seeing Pro Israeli signs at a pro Palestine march.