Documenting the horror that is Hamas

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If only a plan could be agreed

The only people intent on genocide here are Hamas. Have you even read their charter? They’re very honest about it.

Pictures of the true casualties is fanning hate? People die in all wars? Is this what we say to ease our conscience?

Yes, the 67 genocide scholars who have called this out as such, including Raz Segal, a Holocaust and Genocide scholar, who have dedicated their lives to this study to try and prevent future atrocities, are all useful idiots. Even the BBC is losing patience with the human shields propaganda after countless UN buildings have been bombed. The UN, Amnesty International and EuroMed Monitor are all reporting summary executions of civilians. Are we not allowed to talk about this just because we are on the side of Israel? This censorship is hurting Israel- not protecting her.

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6045/Following-shocking-testimonies-of-Israeli-killings-and-field-executions-of-Palestinians-in-Gaza,-the-Red-Cross-must-step-up-to-fulfil-its-obligations

And now, the Israeli government admits that Hamas cannot be defeated (which begs the question - why are they still dropping bombs?), and is negotiating with countries to absorb Palestinians under the euphemism of ‘voluntary emigration’(read: ethnic cleansing).

Meanwhile, violent settlers continue to expand (steal Palestinian homes) in the West Bank with 300 Palestinians murdered there since Oct 7, where I should add, there is NO Hamas. Isreal has lost its moral authority.

All over mainstream Israeli media are there calls for the murder and ethnic cleansing of all Palestinians in absolutely no uncertain terms. If I link these here, will I be accused of fanning hate?

We have all seen the appalling and inhumane treatment and murder of Palestinians over decades. The fact that they have the audacity to resist is their crime.

Have you read the Likud Charter?

Netanyahu’s Likud Charter states explicitly: “between the sea and Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty”- but of course, this isn’t a problem at all. This includes Gaza, the West Bank, and all of Jerusalem. This is a call for the mass ethnic cleansing of Palestinians - but no one speaks about it.

Ethnic cleansing typically involves destroying all infrastructure necessary for human life (ie the health system, schools, homes, water sewage plants) to force the indigenous population to leave. Ethnic cleansing deteriorates into genocide when ethnic cleansing fails ie. the indigenous population refuses to move, so the only option left is to kill them.

Oh forgot to say. Can people please remember to put a warning on links to images or videos that some people will find upsettin. Ot is a parenting site and not everyone digests these images or videos in the same manner. So lets always put a warning and description anything that needs it.

Please read the Likud Charter @ChalkWitch

Who says the current Israel government are not a problem. The fact is though they would not have got in if the Arab cause was not a genocidal endeavour in the first place and as we have seen the Hamas cause where they are continuing to state they what to repeat the pogrom on the 7th is also a genocidal endeavour. Basically everyone involved is responsible for deaths at the moment. However one side will get voted out at next election and are held to account by their citizens. Therefore can only go so far. The other will continue their killing spree for as long as idiots and exstemists around the world let them unless Israel makes them weak for a decent period of time. It is a matter of if you prefer to risk the lives of 9 million Jews and Muslims or the lives of Gazens probably around 50 to 100 thousand by the time Israel is finished with this mission. Personally I prefer to risk no lifes but it isn't an option available.

@ritenuto what do you see is the best outcome now? For both sides.

@stomachamaleon good, I've spotted a couple of quite, should we say remarkable claims presented from dubious sources. It can't be left unchallenged as that is how some pretty egrarious claims come to be accepted as "fact", but it's also difficult to do in the face of considerable hostility and the insistence on comparing the claims to the 7 October atrocities.

@ritenuto support for Israel wanting to get rid of Hamas isn't at all the same as support for Likud. Netanyahu can wish for whatever he likes but the reality is that he is in a coalition government and a precarious position in terms of his (lack of) popularity. He's also heavily reliant on US support and they won't allow Gaza to be ethnically cleansed.

This tweet summarises it well:
https://twitter.com/academic_la/status/1739808794006470786

The same account was heavily critical of the Jerusalem Post guest editorial that suggested Gazans be moved to the Golan heights, for instance.

And now, documenting the horror that is Iran, having a sane one as usual:

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-779705

Soleimani was killed by a US drone strike.

@SomeCatFromJapan that's strange.
So Iran says they are responsible.
Hamas has denied it.
But it's highly likely they at the very least knew about it.

‘trulywonderful’- please don’t be offended that I’m replying point by point like this. It’s much clearer rather than hitting ‘reply’.

‘Who says the current Israel government are not a problem.’

Netanyahu has been in power over the periods- 1996-1999, and 2009-2021, and 2022- present. But we’re not allowed to criticise the Israelis for electing him (as we do the Palestinians for Hamas). It would be ridiculous to say all Israelis are legitimate targets now as they elected Netanyahu- but this is what is being said about Palestinians. Is everyone who voted Labour fair game too, after Blair led us into the illegal war in Iraq (where 1 million Iraqis were slaughtered)?

‘The fact is though they would not have got in if the Arab cause was not a genocidal endeavour in the first place’

It’s not the Israelis who have been slaughtered historically (look at graph below- this doesn’t even take into account the killings since Oct 7). Nothing is said about the genocidal intent of the Likud Charter, who have actually killed Palestinians in huge numbers.

Periodically, the Israeli government will go into Gaza and obliterate civilian infrastructure (without providing the funds for repair) and kill Palestinians (described appallingly as ‘mowing the lawn’). This is the brutal reality of maintaining an occupation. This is all well documented. Would resistance exist (as you term ‘genocidal intent’) without the violent Israeli occupation? Do we expect the Palestinians to love their oppressors? To be surprised that Palestinians may come to hate their oppressors after 75 years of displacement and brutal occupation, is incredible.

The fact that Israel controls Gaza’s drinking water (95% of which is brackish and undrinkable) and electricity (only a few hours a day), and controls everything that goes in and out (a ‘luxury’ like chocolate won’t be let in) and Gazans can’t even fish in their own waters, and the UN reports that Gazans are kept on ‘starvation plus’ (which means they are given just a little above the level of starvation), all this exposes just how brutal this occupation is.

Palestinians have been subjected to decades of violence (which pre-dates Hamas), and the UN reports that 90% of Gazan children suffer from chronic PTSD. A 15 year-old in Gaza will have lived through FIVE wars. Can we imagine that level of trauma? And then Palestinians in the West Bank suffer the daily dehumanisation of the apartheid system, and children are routinely arrested in night raids and imprisoned. I watched an interview by an ex-IDF soldier from the organisation ‘Breaking the Silence’- the arrests and raids are indiscriminate with the sole purpose of producing intimidation and fear. So many Jews disagree with this, but risk being ostracised and cast out if they speak up (like many brave and courageous individuals have). So the violent expansion of the illegal settlements go on, and the apartheid is maintained.

Is this assault on Gaza going to help Israel feel safer given the level of trauma that will be produced in subsequent generations of Palestinians, and children who have been maimed with life changing injuries that will have lived through prolonged bombardment in the most horrifying conditions, many orphaned and left with no family to care for them? None of this will make Isreal feel safer.

@stomachamaleon
Daniel Levy, a former aide who served under Rabin and Barak, in an interview proposed: imagine how liberating it would be for Israelis not to have to maintain an occupation anymore? To not have to suppress an entire population, to go to bed at night and not have to worry about them rising up against you (in order for them to defend themselves). This is the answer. Not the genocide of an entire people.

Going back to the original post I was answering:
‘Basically everyone involved is responsible for deaths at the moment. However one side will get voted out at next election and are held to account by their citizens. Therefore can only go so far.’

So are we to allow this genocide to continue until the next election? No one is being held to account. War crimes are being committed in front of the world and no one is being held to account. This is going to destroy much more than the Palestinians- this is going to destroy our faith in humanity.

‘It is a matter of if you prefer to risk the lives of 9 million Jews and Muslims or the lives of Gazens probably around 50 to 100 thousand by the time Israel is finished with this mission. Personally I prefer to risk no lifes but it isn't an option available.’

This is really a very worrying view- and I ask you to consider carefully what you are saying. There can be no military solution to this problem and we shouldn’t so easily be manipulated into accepting deaths as ‘collateral’. We lose our humanity. It must be a political solution. The problem won’t end as soon Hamas drops their arms as everyone keeps saying- Hamas is the result of the occupation (Netanyahu himself supported their existence as part of divide and rule strategy), and resistance will exist as long as there is an occupation.

This generation of children will be even more brutalised and traumatised than the orphans who make up the current Hamas. Israel has said for a very long time that there will be no Palestinian state. Even Yitzhak Rabin admitted at the Oslo Accords that even that deal was ‘less’ than a Palestinian state (and that was based on 22% of the land). Until Israel can treat the Palestinians as equals in all respects, a solution will never be found.

@ritenuto you need to @ them then so they can see it.
New poster?

Politics is very much driven by cause and affect. If we take any year or number of years and look at what voters have seen and experienced personally you will get an idea of why they thought voting a certain way was there only safe option. Obviously 7th October has blown that out of the water somewhat but up until recently voting a certain way was the only way some saw of stopping a pogrom.

When you live in a place that has often experienced up to 7 terrorist attacks a day (ranging from stones thrown through car windows whilst driving to rockets to buses getting blown up) you vote in whoever you think will keep worse from happening. It is understandable to say X wouldn't happen if X had not happened, however people on both sides are living with what is happening now. The past behaviour on both sides that has caused the latest conflict is very important bit it doesn't change what will need to happen to limit deaths on both sides and create a balance again. People may find it unfair that one side has a defensive system or has less deaths currently but without the first the second would be higher. I can't imagine most reasonable people would prefer more deaths. Hamas or even Ararat back in the day would not stop their attacks because they would hurt more people. Therefore using lop sided death figures to make point isn't logical.

Plus the number of arabs/Muslims killed in the middle east since Israel was founded by Jews is tiny. Compare it with the number of Muslim/Arabs that have got and are currently getting killed by Muslims/Arabs. If you choose to play a ridiculous game of death figures for the entire 75 year or so that is. Which like I said is irrelevant and not logical really.

Like I say pointless thinking of things as death figures bit if people what to go down this route. This is an old one I have from research in 2021. It shows deaths from conflict in the middle east in general

Again from 2021 because that was when I did research about the conflict. However it gives a good overview of the situation not being a Jewish or Israeli problem in the middle east. Therefore I think people need to ask themselves who is the problem in the middle east. Then maybe they will realise the real issues involved and stop listening to the drip feeding of the likes of Aljazeera etc

@Trulywonderful unfortunately the rather crude expression "No Jews, no news" is rather starkly illustrated by those figures.

Agree

Bit like a serial killer standing next to a dozen dead people he’s just killed and telling the police the only person with serial killer intent is this other guy on X posting death threats and to go after that guy, not him.

It is a matter of if you prefer to risk the lives of 9 million Jews and Muslims or the lives of Gazens probably around 50 to 100 thousand by the time Israel is finished with this mission. Personally I prefer to risk no lifes but it isn't an option available.

I refuse to believe that the only option available is to slaughter 2.29 million people out of a population of 2.3m, of which 40% are children. You are also forgetting the Christian population.

@Hellenika so they are stupid and not to be taken seriously. If only they hadn't done it already....

@Hellenika the Christian population Hamas has ethnically cleansed?