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IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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ThickPinkSocks · 29/11/2023 20:18

Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

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OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 20:45

Katharineblum · 30/11/2023 20:36

@beigecartoon In Psychology today, Jan 2023
‘Nonstate and terrorist groups, such as ISIS, Boko Haram, Hamas, Al-Shabaab, and Islamic Jihad are among the worst offenders. They openly recruit children, using them in combat roles and as support staff, and often exploit them sexually.’

I think that the main culprits showing a disgraceful lack of respect for the citizens of their godforsaken state are Hamas and other extremist Islamic terrorist groups.

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Is there a reason you are derailing a thread about a 9 year old boy being shot as ran for his life by talking about ISis and Boko Haram? It shows a disgraceful lack of respect to a small boy who is barely cold.

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 20:51

@OuiOuiKitty heartless. More interested in spreading an agenda than recognising an innocent child was cruelly killed today by IDF.

Alexandra2001 · 30/11/2023 20:52

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 19:48

I mean I’d agree in the normal course of events, but Hamas don’t seem to care. Having children get killed is something they seem totally ok with. Otherwise they wouldn’t recruit child soldiers, so I don’t think the concern about child innocence is something that’s high on their agenda.

An 8 yo being a child soldier is irrelevant, he at the time, posed no risk.

Efacsen · 30/11/2023 20:58

agree that it’s like no other conflict. That a terrorist organisation somehow has turned public opinion round and garnered considerable sympathy from lots of normally rational people.

There must be a name for this kind of cognitive distortion

Most of those IDF soldiers will be young, many are conscripted because Israel has national service, no doubt large numbers will dislike Netanyahu and his politics. To suggest that all Israeli soldiers are crazed murderous sadists who just love shooting kids is ridiculous. Most will be good people much like most Palestinians aren’t necessarily Hamas supporters.

'They're nice boys really' is no consolation to anyone particularly these boys poor parents - they are trained killers like all soldiers so there is no need to postulate 'crazed murderous sadists' Very much doubt it was a scared greenie who felled a running child with a headshot

We don’t know the real circumstances about this incident and it’s a cert that Hamas will use it as yet more propaganda

There is quite clear CCTV footage of the incident - the details of which were reported in a wide variety of reputable media - none of which raised issues about any wrongdoing by either boys at the time or since. Until a reputable source verifies evidence to the reverse these are the 'real circumstances'

Hamas will take advantage whatever happens

Alexandra2001 · 30/11/2023 21:04

Katharineblum · 30/11/2023 19:49

@Alexandra2001 agree that it’s like no other conflict. That a terrorist organisation somehow has turned public opinion round and garnered considerable sympathy from lots of normally rational people. Don’t see many of you sympathising with the Taliban or Al Qaeda who also have committed similar atrocities and claim to be the victims of western imperialism, invasions and oppression.
Most of those IDF soldiers will be young, many are conscripted because Israel has national service, no doubt large numbers will dislike Netanyahu and his politics. To suggest that all Israeli soldiers are crazed murderous sadists who just love shooting kids is ridiculous. Most will be good people much like most Palestinians aren’t necessarily Hamas supporters.
We don’t know the real circumstances about this incident and it’s a cert that Hamas will use it as yet more propaganda.

Err you 'll have to quote back to me where i said or implied sympathy for Hamas, imho they are a bunch of murdering thugs.
Israel had every right to pursue the killers of Oct 7th, what they haven't got is the right to kill 1000s of people and displace 2.1m civilians.... they ve literally gone in for extermination of Hamas at ANY cost to the Palestinians... i think that goes far beyond legitimate defence.

You ve zero idea of the motivations of IDF soldiers, their politics or beliefs.

Civilised nations don't go around killing 1000s of civilians in order to kill a relative small number of terrorists..... we didn't do it in NI or did i miss the Cruise missile attack on West Belfast after Omagh bombing or the attempt to kill the entire British Govt in Brighton?

We do know 2 children were shot, one twice in the chest, another a head shot, bit random for both to be stray bullets, which is what you re suggesting.

You also will only accept what the IDF say happened, not what local Dr's saw or treated & the IDF have considerable form in lying.

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 21:14

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 20:45

Is there a reason you are derailing a thread about a 9 year old boy being shot as ran for his life by talking about ISis and Boko Haram? It shows a disgraceful lack of respect to a small boy who is barely cold.

100%

These posters need to stop. It's incredibly dehumanising and disgraceful.

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 21:22

Katharineblum · 30/11/2023 19:49

@Alexandra2001 agree that it’s like no other conflict. That a terrorist organisation somehow has turned public opinion round and garnered considerable sympathy from lots of normally rational people. Don’t see many of you sympathising with the Taliban or Al Qaeda who also have committed similar atrocities and claim to be the victims of western imperialism, invasions and oppression.
Most of those IDF soldiers will be young, many are conscripted because Israel has national service, no doubt large numbers will dislike Netanyahu and his politics. To suggest that all Israeli soldiers are crazed murderous sadists who just love shooting kids is ridiculous. Most will be good people much like most Palestinians aren’t necessarily Hamas supporters.
We don’t know the real circumstances about this incident and it’s a cert that Hamas will use it as yet more propaganda.

You make many apposite points - and indeed it is the right thing to do to wait until we learn about the whole circumstances before judgment is made.

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 21:34

Alexandra2001 · 30/11/2023 20:52

An 8 yo being a child soldier is irrelevant, he at the time, posed no risk.

I mean, maybe. Or maybe they figured he was part of Hamas. Tell me how you would react if, after an organisation sworn to kill you simply because of who you were born had recently killed 1,200 of your fellow citizens, had just launched an attack on you. This is what is so colossally fucked up- in the UK, in most countries around the world if a child behaved that way, you wouldn’t really suspect them of murderous intent. But Hamas recruit and use children, generally from the age of 14 but reports say they have used younger. Which means where you would ordinarily in line with every human instinct protect a child, have to override that instinct because children that young had killed your fellow soldiers. The psychological trauma of having to train soldiers to see children as enemy combatants, when probably most of them aren’t, must be horrific. But if your enemy use children, then how else do you protect your soldiers from them?

Theres a reason child soldiers are still classed enemy combatants. Why on earth are people not frothing at the mouth at the absolutely scummy, low down tactics Hamas use? Because the result is yes, you train your military to kill enemy combatants, which means children. If you were in the same position you would do the same thing. Everyone would, because all armies are trained to kill enemy combatants.

Even worse, there’s a decent chance the boy wasn’t even a Hamas fighter, but how the fuck do you tell the difference? Don’t wear uniforms- now you can’t tell the difference between civilians and soldiers. Use women and children? Now they are people you have to train your military to kill. That’s not because the IDF think “oh great let’s pop some kids” but because child soldiers have resulted in the deaths of IDF infantry. So you train your soldiers to not get killed.

its so far beyond fucked up- the twisted things being done which force the hand of the soldiers who have to fight in those circumstances. There’s no honour, no courage. There’s just terror and sick abuse of civilians. And yet, when Hamas swear that they will not abide a 2-state solution, that Israel must be wiped from the map, when more than a thousand ACTUAL civilians (because the IDF wear uniforms) are murdered kidnapped and raped, and people say they shouldn’t fight back because look at the children and civilians dying.

Doesnt that strike you as so utterly fucked up? Doesn’t that make you think that Hamas MUST have engineered it, because why else would you choose this course of action? How utterly psychopathic you would have to be to design this? I can’t see this being accidental. I can’t see this being anything but very intentional. Get the filthy Jews any way you can, and if you can get them to kill kids see if you can get it on camera, cause that’d be fucking super. It’s revolting.

ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow · 30/11/2023 21:36

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 21:34

I mean, maybe. Or maybe they figured he was part of Hamas. Tell me how you would react if, after an organisation sworn to kill you simply because of who you were born had recently killed 1,200 of your fellow citizens, had just launched an attack on you. This is what is so colossally fucked up- in the UK, in most countries around the world if a child behaved that way, you wouldn’t really suspect them of murderous intent. But Hamas recruit and use children, generally from the age of 14 but reports say they have used younger. Which means where you would ordinarily in line with every human instinct protect a child, have to override that instinct because children that young had killed your fellow soldiers. The psychological trauma of having to train soldiers to see children as enemy combatants, when probably most of them aren’t, must be horrific. But if your enemy use children, then how else do you protect your soldiers from them?

Theres a reason child soldiers are still classed enemy combatants. Why on earth are people not frothing at the mouth at the absolutely scummy, low down tactics Hamas use? Because the result is yes, you train your military to kill enemy combatants, which means children. If you were in the same position you would do the same thing. Everyone would, because all armies are trained to kill enemy combatants.

Even worse, there’s a decent chance the boy wasn’t even a Hamas fighter, but how the fuck do you tell the difference? Don’t wear uniforms- now you can’t tell the difference between civilians and soldiers. Use women and children? Now they are people you have to train your military to kill. That’s not because the IDF think “oh great let’s pop some kids” but because child soldiers have resulted in the deaths of IDF infantry. So you train your soldiers to not get killed.

its so far beyond fucked up- the twisted things being done which force the hand of the soldiers who have to fight in those circumstances. There’s no honour, no courage. There’s just terror and sick abuse of civilians. And yet, when Hamas swear that they will not abide a 2-state solution, that Israel must be wiped from the map, when more than a thousand ACTUAL civilians (because the IDF wear uniforms) are murdered kidnapped and raped, and people say they shouldn’t fight back because look at the children and civilians dying.

Doesnt that strike you as so utterly fucked up? Doesn’t that make you think that Hamas MUST have engineered it, because why else would you choose this course of action? How utterly psychopathic you would have to be to design this? I can’t see this being accidental. I can’t see this being anything but very intentional. Get the filthy Jews any way you can, and if you can get them to kill kids see if you can get it on camera, cause that’d be fucking super. It’s revolting.

One of the best posts I've read about this.

beigecartoon · 30/11/2023 21:46

I'm just open mouthed at the dogged determination to smear a 9 y/o child who was shot dead with long rants postulating about his background. his poor bloody family. He's not even likely buried.

Not to mention the hateful racist propaganda that said they appreciated the death of children.😧

What kind of people say such things? 😪

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 21:47

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 21:34

I mean, maybe. Or maybe they figured he was part of Hamas. Tell me how you would react if, after an organisation sworn to kill you simply because of who you were born had recently killed 1,200 of your fellow citizens, had just launched an attack on you. This is what is so colossally fucked up- in the UK, in most countries around the world if a child behaved that way, you wouldn’t really suspect them of murderous intent. But Hamas recruit and use children, generally from the age of 14 but reports say they have used younger. Which means where you would ordinarily in line with every human instinct protect a child, have to override that instinct because children that young had killed your fellow soldiers. The psychological trauma of having to train soldiers to see children as enemy combatants, when probably most of them aren’t, must be horrific. But if your enemy use children, then how else do you protect your soldiers from them?

Theres a reason child soldiers are still classed enemy combatants. Why on earth are people not frothing at the mouth at the absolutely scummy, low down tactics Hamas use? Because the result is yes, you train your military to kill enemy combatants, which means children. If you were in the same position you would do the same thing. Everyone would, because all armies are trained to kill enemy combatants.

Even worse, there’s a decent chance the boy wasn’t even a Hamas fighter, but how the fuck do you tell the difference? Don’t wear uniforms- now you can’t tell the difference between civilians and soldiers. Use women and children? Now they are people you have to train your military to kill. That’s not because the IDF think “oh great let’s pop some kids” but because child soldiers have resulted in the deaths of IDF infantry. So you train your soldiers to not get killed.

its so far beyond fucked up- the twisted things being done which force the hand of the soldiers who have to fight in those circumstances. There’s no honour, no courage. There’s just terror and sick abuse of civilians. And yet, when Hamas swear that they will not abide a 2-state solution, that Israel must be wiped from the map, when more than a thousand ACTUAL civilians (because the IDF wear uniforms) are murdered kidnapped and raped, and people say they shouldn’t fight back because look at the children and civilians dying.

Doesnt that strike you as so utterly fucked up? Doesn’t that make you think that Hamas MUST have engineered it, because why else would you choose this course of action? How utterly psychopathic you would have to be to design this? I can’t see this being accidental. I can’t see this being anything but very intentional. Get the filthy Jews any way you can, and if you can get them to kill kids see if you can get it on camera, cause that’d be fucking super. It’s revolting.

If you want to talk about child soldiers why don't you start a thread about it? Surely you can see that it is inappropriate to discuss that on a thread about a 9 year old boy who was shot in the back of the head as he tried to run for his life. There is no evidence that this young child is anything other than unfortunate victim, your post is completely irrelevant and very insensitive.

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 21:49

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 21:47

If you want to talk about child soldiers why don't you start a thread about it? Surely you can see that it is inappropriate to discuss that on a thread about a 9 year old boy who was shot in the back of the head as he tried to run for his life. There is no evidence that this young child is anything other than unfortunate victim, your post is completely irrelevant and very insensitive.

Too blinded to see how atrocious and inhumane their own words are. And their own army.

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 21:51

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 21:47

If you want to talk about child soldiers why don't you start a thread about it? Surely you can see that it is inappropriate to discuss that on a thread about a 9 year old boy who was shot in the back of the head as he tried to run for his life. There is no evidence that this young child is anything other than unfortunate victim, your post is completely irrelevant and very insensitive.

I thought it was relevant as context is important. But just my opinion. And also, the thread title says a boy was murdered. Combatants in war have not committed murder so if it is a child combatant, no matter how terribl;y young he is, then it is not murder.
We just don't know yet.

parksandrecs · 30/11/2023 21:52

'We just don't know yet'

and your initial thought is that they were a child soldier...

right

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 21:57

parksandrecs · 30/11/2023 21:52

'We just don't know yet'

and your initial thought is that they were a child soldier...

right

I did say "if."

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 22:06

@Hiddenmnetter your post has been really eye opening
I did know that the IDF generally treat the Palestinians suspiciously but what I didn't know was that they can shoot or harm any based just on the perception that any Palestinian could potentially be a Hamas recruit
I am actually shocked
No wonder the Palestinians don't stand a chance

parksandrecs · 30/11/2023 22:08

Have a quick look at 'administrative detention'

80% of the hostages released by Israel were imprisoned without trial. 'terrorist actions' included throwing stones at armed IDF soldiers

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 22:12

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 22:06

@Hiddenmnetter your post has been really eye opening
I did know that the IDF generally treat the Palestinians suspiciously but what I didn't know was that they can shoot or harm any based just on the perception that any Palestinian could potentially be a Hamas recruit
I am actually shocked
No wonder the Palestinians don't stand a chance

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100%

Revealing their own barbaric psychopathy. Irony is that everything they write about Hamas is applicable even more for IDF, except that IDF is the official army of a "moral democracy"

OuiOuiKitty · 30/11/2023 22:13

Jupitersstorm · 30/11/2023 21:51

I thought it was relevant as context is important. But just my opinion. And also, the thread title says a boy was murdered. Combatants in war have not committed murder so if it is a child combatant, no matter how terribl;y young he is, then it is not murder.
We just don't know yet.

Well then perhaps she should save it until 'we' do know why the IDF shot a child in the back of the head as he was fleeing? Until there is any suggestion that this boy is anything but a victim(by actual authorities not by mumsnetters who put Palestinian and child together and come up with terrorist) it is inappropriate to speculate.

stormy4319trevor · 30/11/2023 22:14

@Hiddenmnetter Are you saying the IDF are trained to kill children? I hope this is not true, that sounds alarming.

Parkingt111 · 30/11/2023 22:15

@parksandrecs yes I did read about that but @Hiddenmnetter has been such an eye opener.

The psychology and training given to view all Palestinians as potential suspects or combatants i really didn't know that. In fact if someone else had said it then I might have even thought ok maybe it's true and maybe it's not.

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 22:31

I don’t know what the IDF trains its soldiers to do, what I do know is that armies train soldiers to kill enemy combatants.

Hamas uses child soldiers as enemy combatants. Ergo…

But then- what else should the IDF do? Allow it’s soldiers to be killed by children? The laws of war state that a child soldier is still an enemy combatant and therefore a valid target for deadly force. I would love to know about any military that doesn’t train its soldiers to kill enemy soldiers.

I would also love to know why people don’t hold Hamas responsible for the bullshit they pull, because they do pull this bullshit, and they do it repeatedly, and deliberately. Soldier kills soldier- that’s war. Thats what it is. I blame the ones who put children in that situation, not the ones who act like every other military.

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 22:35

Infact I can’t believe it but I’ll quote Prince Harry- “I was trained to see them as chess pieces taken off the board, bad guys eliminated before they kill good guys”

Thats how soldiers are trained.

Chaitales · 30/11/2023 22:38

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 22:31

I don’t know what the IDF trains its soldiers to do, what I do know is that armies train soldiers to kill enemy combatants.

Hamas uses child soldiers as enemy combatants. Ergo…

But then- what else should the IDF do? Allow it’s soldiers to be killed by children? The laws of war state that a child soldier is still an enemy combatant and therefore a valid target for deadly force. I would love to know about any military that doesn’t train its soldiers to kill enemy soldiers.

I would also love to know why people don’t hold Hamas responsible for the bullshit they pull, because they do pull this bullshit, and they do it repeatedly, and deliberately. Soldier kills soldier- that’s war. Thats what it is. I blame the ones who put children in that situation, not the ones who act like every other military.

The laws of war state that a child soldier is still an enemy combatant

The argument put forward on these threads is that all Palestinian children potentially are "enemy combatants"

If this child is running on the street in his own area, safe zone, does an IDF soldier have the right to shoot on sight just because he may be an "enemy combatant"?

Do soldiers get full rights in deciding which child is an enemy, is there any sort of procedure or repercussions of rhis?

I think this needs to be a different thread to discuss IDF policies about Palestinian children. This is a thread mourning a child and is disrespectful, as has been said many many times above. We don't need to score points over the validity of this child's murder.

@MNHQ please can you ask for this thread to stop being derailed and respect a murdered child?

Hiddenmnetter · 30/11/2023 22:40

I wasn’t the one who said there was video of the kids throwing explosives at soldiers. I’m just pointing out that when you do that, they will treat you like an enemy combatant.