IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0PcyDYuWr0/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Please could Israel stop the killing and land invasions in the West Bank? Thanks awfully for being so open about your support of Israel's flouting of international law

And what.. all live happily ever after?
Or wait for another mass killing from hamas?

You can try and insult me all you want, but I'm a realist not living in lala land

I would suggest that they stick to international law. That the collective punishment by way of starvation of food water and aid should never have happened. That the attacks on medics, medical facilities, premature babies and patients should never have happened. That the flattening of half of Gaza should never have happened. That Israel should have used its intelligence and billions of aid money to actually target Hamas not throw the equivalent of who knows how many nuclear bombs at this stage into Gaza and see what happens.

To be factual, Hamas did not say they want to kill all Jews. They make it clear that they are not against Jewish people, they are fighting against the Zionist occupation.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/02/israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-a-cruel-system-of-domination-and-a-crime-against-humanity/

sorry to burst your bubble, @miniegg3 this definitely didn’t start on 7th October.

many decades ago, unfortunately. Israeli govt has been the cruel oppressor of Palestinian people for many decades.

I’d suggest a solution is to stop stealing land, give Palestinians human rights and do some serious diplomacy. If South Africa can sort apartheid out, Israel and Palestine can.

Isarael has refused a two state solution. i’m not sure of the best state based solution personally but treating them as equal human beings would be a start.

The IDF are ever so restrained, at least.

You don't defeat terrorists by 'beating them at their own game' and doing even worse. I can't see one example in history where being more brutal than terrorists has worked.

Except maybe the Zionist terrorist groups who helped establish Israel. But they were in a context of (rightful) world horror at the holocaust, so had a very guilty world that was willing to atone by turning a blind eye to the Palestinian people.

And palastine have refused many more times than that. So you don't have a suggestion them?

Yes I'm aware it's been going on much longer, I don't have a bubble thanks.. I mean the current war obviously

I gave you my solution, maybe you didn’t read it?

I’d suggest a solution is to stop stealing land, give Palestinians human rights and do some serious diplomacy. If South Africa can sort apartheid out, Israel and Palestine can.

Oh and you’re living in lala land if you think Israel will allow palestine to rebuild palestine for palestinians after the war. They’ll just steal the land, the natural gas and oil, and put settlers in place. As they’ve openly stated they will.

The 'current war'? That has been going on for generations?

What are your views about Folke Bernadotte, the UN Mediator in Palestine appointed in1948 and then assassinated by Jewish terrorists for being 'too pro-Arab?

Was that terrorism, or acceptable in order to establish the Zionist state that is now Israel?

Let's be clear, Israel's flag is NOT the 'Jewish flag'. It is the flag of the Israeli state, less than 50% of the world's Jewish population, all of whom are entitled to Israeli citizenship should they wish to live there

Even if ethnic cleansing is completed, the conflict will go on indefinitely or a peace process will resolve.Bombing Gaza is completely pointless as well as inhumane.
A 5 year old child with crayons and a map could tell you why no settlement since 1948 could be sold to the Palestinian grassroots. So start by offering a fair share of the land with a workable corridor. Then there would be some hope of the populace accepting a deal and the various terrorist organisations would loose their appeal.
Ordinary people on both sides must acknowledge that they are tired of violence and be prepared to accept compromise. Not the type of compromise where protected by the Iron Dome, they are prepared to turn a blind eye to the shooting of an occasional teenager. I mean the type of compromise where significant concessions that affect day to day life have to be made.
There must be an acknowledgement that while Israel is the spiritual home of the Jewish people, this does not entitle them to physically claim all of the Holy Land. The Palestinians who have been repeatedly dispossessed must also accept the presence of Jewish people, many of whom who have had little connection to the region until the last century, apart from this spiritual connection.
Dialogue, dialogue, dialogue with people who make your flesh crawl, dialogue through intermediaries that are just as unsavoury.
Demilitarisation, de-weaponisation, an end to land grabs, the rule of law - not preferential access to justice for one ethnic group with military law for some, an end to internment without trial, an end to shoot to kill by police and IDF, prisoner release, community policing, empowerment of women, compensation for unlawful deaths and loss of property. Targeted investment, equality of opportunity, parity of esteem.
Even if the IDF catch and kill every single Hamas member, they will just be replaced by some other nascent terrorist group. And despite killing and injuring and displacing thousands of innocent people they have very little to show for themselves .
So my suggestion is that Israel starts to behave like civilised democracy , that they stop this ethnic cleansing and start a peace process.
But it seems revenge and ethnic cleansing have more appeal

You can't force peace by killing everyone who disagrees with you, plus a few thousand innocent victims

And that Israel citizens will be able to live without freedom post the war. I very much doubt this is the end of Hamas , unless a solution is found to the Problem there will be more deaths from both sides

What video did you see? The video shows IDF not under attack by anyone, getting ready to hop in the APC after a raid and one deciding to fire on two boys that are running away from them. The 8yr old is shot in the head, his older brother dives behind a car and then while under fire, breaks cover to pull his little brother behind the car with him, leaving a smear of blood behind.

Anyone can type fake subtitles on screen shots. You need verified facts that these people said those things, not what looks like hastily put together propaganda. Propaganda is rife on both sides in this. I’m not saying only Israel is doling it. Hamas is as well. On the Hamas side is the propaganda that Israel kills Palestinians and steals their bodies to harvest their organs and skin.

@ Kindatired, I agree pretty much with all of that. Saves me having to say it, thank you.

This is so divorced from reality that I don’t know where to start. Protest when

• most streets are under mounds of rubble so where would you go?
• gathering in large numbers is 100% going to attract hellfire missiles and tank fire from IDF as they think anyone moving en masse is the enemy
• you’re dehydrated, starving and cold, as are your children there are people crying under the rubble- is this really the best time to make a placard and have a leisurely protest? Or should you concentrate on finding water and food and trying to guess which shelter won’t get bombed?

It’s not happening all over, not like this. No other war is happening like it is happening in Gaza. Even Putin & Russia is managing not to commit genocide in Ukraine. Other wars where genocide is happening and has been rightly categorised as a genocide like in Darfur, is mild compared to Gaza with people being massacred at a much slower rate with a much smaller proportion of the victims being children.

Harvesting organs without consent did happen, please see this article from 2009.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs

Channel 2 TV reported that in the 1990s, specialists at Abu Kabir harvested skin, corneas, heart valves and bones from the bodies of Israeli soldiers, Israeli citizens, Palestinians and foreign workers, often without permission from relatives.

The Israeli military confirmed to the programme that the practice took place, but added: "This activity ended a decade ago and does not happen any longer."

Hiss said: "We started to harvest corneas ... whatever was done was highly informal. No permission was asked from the family."

If you look back into the thread, it wasn't me that put the screenshots up, it was someone else, which is why I challenged it.

However if you are in any doubt, there are plenty of verified tweets, videos, statements and more that Israeli officials have said, on TV, on Twitter and on official channels, whereby they are expressing genocidal intent.

It's not hard to find verified sources for these things. Such as this newspaper article outlining many of the statements made.

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/erase-gaza-how-genocidal-rhetoric-normalised-israel

“We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly,” Israel’s Defence Minister, Yoav Gallant, said, describing the Israeli military’s response just days after Hamas’ attack. “We will eliminate everything - they will regret it,” Gallant added.

"There will be no electricity and no water (in Gaza), there will only be destruction. You wanted hell, you will get hell," Maj. Gen. Ghassan Alian, who heads the Israeli army’s Coordination of Government Activities in the Palestinian Territories (COGAT), declared.

“There is one and only (one) solution, which is to completely destroy Gaza before invading it. I mean destruction like what happened in Dresden and Hiroshima, without nuclear weapons,” he said.

In another statement, Feiglin said Israel’s end goal should not be to eliminate Hamas, but rather, “Gaza should be razed and Israel’s rule should be restored to the place. This is our country".

The propaganda isn’t saying that tissues were harvested from everyone without family permission in the 1990s.

The propaganda is saying that IDF right now is intentionally killing only Palestinians, taking their bodies if they are not detainees in prison, harvesting all their organs and then returning bodies empty.

@beigecartoon
”If you look back into the thread, it wasn't me that put the screenshots up, it was someone else, which is why I challenged it.”
Yes, I did note that. I should have given you a clap emoji and made it clear I was agreeing with you. Sorry.

@MercanDede I'm sorry for misunderstanding. You quoted my quote then said 'You need verified facts that these people said those things, not what looks like hastily put together propaganda' then went on about Hamas so I thought you were disputing that Israeli govt had said genocidal statements. Which I found a little confusing, I hope you understand.

I'm not disputing Hamas put out propaganda, I guess there's no way of verifying these current claims about organ harvesting, either way at this stage. I know an NGO has made a request for it to be investigated.