IDF shot a 9 year old boy

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Why is this not in the mainstream news? I thought there was a ceasefire!

https://www.instagram.com/p/C0PcyDYuWr0/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This what is so sad, Israel knows how it feels to be victims of mass killing/genocide but then inflicts terrible collective punishment on the Palestinians.

Personally, i don't think its "genocide" & in any case, thats for a court to decide but it is very clear they have scant regard for the civilians caught up in this.

As i said earlier, its my belief they will force them to break through into Egypt & Israel will claim "Nothing to do with us" bit like they Hamas when a Israeli bomb wipes out a family.

Winter is coming, that part of the world can be v cold and wet, how many more will die before the West and in particular, the USA stops arming them?

@Alexandra2001 The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno Ocampo says it's a genocide.

The title is so ambiguous - I have felt MN have been very fair in allowing at times rigorous and contentious debate. However « shot« does not tell us that the poor 9 year old actually died. Wonder if KILLS would have been acceptable?

CNN has been less ambiguous in the title of a video available on its website:

« Israeli troops kill 8-year-old boy during raid of West Bank refugee camp »

The video shows IDF pulling the 8 yo out of the way as they continue fighting.

@Happyvalleyfan I am really confused at the double standards of language on Palestine/Israel. Or rather not confused, because it's a propaganda war, but really disappointed. Let us tell us how it is, not a sanitised version of the truth dressed up in words that don't convey what really happened or put a better spin on it. BBC particularly bad.

There was genocide by Hamas.

One day, Hamas will be eradicated and the perpetrators will be tried for war crimes and the cheerleaders shamed.

And Israel will be free.

@ohforheavenssakedearcomeonnow The former chief prosecutor of the International Criminal Court, Luis Moreno Ocampo says Israel is committing a genocide. They will have time in the Hague one day.

So the IDF have killed tens of thousands of Gazans (and counting). Not genocide.

The highest estimate for number of people Hamas killed on October 7th is 1200. And that IS genocide??!

Your middle paragraph applies to the Israeli government too.

Also, Israel is free, they haven't had land taken off them over many years and aren't currently being wiped out by a humanitarian crisis and relentless airstrikes.

I really hope so- for our sake, to restore belief in our international laws. But, also for Israel’s sake, as it does need to redeem itself in the eyes of the world. They are not only loosing the moral ground - but due to this, also the propaganda war.

I was thinking what the world will think of Israel when the flighting finishes, when all of Gaza is flattened and there are nearly 2 million refugees driven from their homes in Gaza?

The younger generation have very different views towards Israel’s actions in Gaza to older generations, and they need to see a just solution going forward.

The double standards and blindness to see even basic logic is unbelievable. I think this is why hereafter exist
Surely if you believe in a God and accountability, you will also believe in sanctity of life, rights of other people, but also be careful in what you say in the hope that your words and judgements will not go against you?

Freed from the threat of Hamas.

Still wondering how Hamas committed genocide but the IDF haven't?

Palestinians would also like to be free from constant airstrikes and their land getting smaller and smaller as time goes on.

It really is surprising, along with double standards. I won't put any lives above others (assuming we're talking about civilians and not those killing innocents), but I've seen so many comments in the media and in posts that either very strongly hint at, or simply outright say that Palestinian lives are worth less. I can't comprehend that mindset at all, it's sad in this day and age that people can be valued more due to being born in a certain place. Where you're born isn't an achievement, and doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else.

@Chaitales @ChickHenLittle what we are seeing are the results of one of the biggest cases of prolonged mass brainwashing and indoctrination into a mass DARVO campaign. Tell a lie often enough... and all that.

No I don't believe it is all black and white, nor that all Palestinians are innocent. But they had their land forcibly taken, their people ethnically cleansed, oppressed for years and yet we still are told they are the sole aggressors.

Of course they would and I would like them to be free of the airstrikes which will stop when Hamas release the hostages and surrender.

...but its not proportional.

What is happening is the ordinary Palestinians have little or no say in a Hamas surrender or hostage release, so Israel is just punishing everyone and that punishment is death, maiming and as we go into winter & little aid, the Palestinians with freeze/starve to death but according to the Israelis, thats ok as the means justifies the end.

Agree. If you look at interviews of Jewish people against zionism, the first thing most say is how they grew up brainwashed into believing Israel was a land without a people, that it was created in peace, and Arabs came and disturbed their peace and Israel is only defending itself when it acts against them. It was only when people started doing their own research or saw firsthand how Palestinians were treated did they start exploring the truth. Even as long term residents, people are chilling in Tel Aviv completely unaware of what is happening to local populations just a few miles away.

As I've mentioned a few times here, I've worked for a long time in interfaith - specifically Jewish muslim women - and there is an absolute silencing of even using the word Palestine. It's like as if saying Palestine will make us all melt away like the wicked witch in wizard of Oz. Total failure to even use the word, to be able to discuss the issue, has resulted in complete lack of knowledge or information on what's actually happening historically and in the present. It's like people feel that if they knew what was happening, they would have to seriously challenge their status quo and comfort zone, so easier to just not know.

The people of Gaza could protest in the streets against Hamas.

@Chaitales thank you for sharing. It is interesting to hear from your first hand experience of how these lies and cognitive dissonance are so deeply embedded.

At least much of the world is waking up to this, in a major way now.

What scares me are the people here on MN all too happy to repeat the lies and "stand with IDF" with the warped assertion that Israel is the sole victim and everything going on is justified. Often the same posters, regurgitating the DARVO stance, bot style.

The people here on MN know the truth.

While trying to survive a humanitarian crisis and dodge the airstrikes? Never mind Hamas likely not reacting well to it? With all that in mind, would I be brave enough to tell my armed oppressors that I was against them? While trying not to starve or be hit by Israeli airstrikes? No, I wouldn't.

Agree. I wonder if many even know what "agree with IDF", "stand with Israel" mean in a deep way beyond a trite headline.

I wonder if there has been any effort for even a broader reading of books, watching news, having conversations with people outside their circle, in an effort to gain understanding of both sides of the story?

Or is it easy to dismiss everyone else as anti semitic, pro terror, "baying crowds", and thus close your eyes with ease and without guilt?

Are we all just victims of a psychological playbook that drives us through fear of the other - thus keeping governments and status quo in power - are most campaigns driven by fear rather than hope? There has been a lot written about how governments and systems work in suppressing the minds of people in order to keep them uninformed about injustices in society - Johann Hari (british Swiss author)'s books such as Stolen Focus/ Lost Connections talk a lot about how our attention is deliberately taken away in society and kept busy in mediocre pursuits and hatred for the other so we arent able to notice and stand up against injustices. Eg blaming immigrants for mess of NHS, vs governments for underfunding and quietly selling off NHS is an example.

I'm genuinely curious.

I think, given the balance of posts on this board, more posters on MN appear to be calling for a ceasefire than attempting to justify Israel's war crimes and collective punishment. It does give me hope.

Have you protested against Hamas - assuming you are not in Gaza?

If people protest against Hamas , it may avoid the following:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12817223/israel-prepares-year-war-gaza-ceasefire-ends.html

Dr Rangan Chatterjee has a good interview with Johann Hari on his podcast about this if anyone interested